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Growing Old on Facebook

37 pointsby 10charover 12 years ago

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tokenadultover 12 years ago
The interesting comments posted before mine prompted me to read the whole fine article kindly submitted here. The article beings with "There's an entire generation where every photo, message, post, idea between adolescence and adulthood is cataloged on Facebook." The posting of photos as conveniently as Facebook allows posting photos is somewhat new (as is home Internet connections with enough bandwidth to put up with an online service jam full of photos), but on the whole this doesn't feel new to me.<p>Maybe Facebook doesn't feel new to me because I am old (born during the Eisenhower administration, just as the Space Age was beginning). To me, Facebook in 2012 seems much like AOL in 1998: a huge, dominant force in Internet interaction among the general public that is already doomed by fundamental flaws in its business plan. I'm old, and I have seen predictions come and go over the years, but this is my prediction about Facebook, and I'm sticking to it: "Facebook will go the way of AOL, still being a factor in the industry years from now, but also serving as an example of a company that could never monetize up to the level of the hype surrounding it."<p>Facebook makes it MORE apparent, if anything, than the earlier forms of online communication did how selectively people report details about their lives in online communities. I've known some good friends through online acquaintance, interspersed with real-world interaction, for twenty years. I'm well aware that the online picture of any person is incomplete, just as the knowledge of one person by any one acquaintance is incomplete. I think Facebook provides some convenience in keeping up with a varied group of Facebook "friends" including several of my first cousins, one of my children who has grown up and moved away from home (he was an early adopter of Facebook, and is now largely tired of it), former co-workers, classmates, current members of the same professional associations, and so on. It's a lot of fun to see friends from different phases of my life interact and learn from one another. I've managed to make my Facebook wall be like a targeted Hacker News: a place where I can find thoughtful discussion of links I discover while Web-browsing. To me, that's something well worth growing old with.<p>The article includes the paragraph: "You can message someone you haven't spoken with in years, and yet it visually flows right under some unimaginably unrelated conversation from 2007. And when you realize that exact numerical gap between the years, it stings a little. Reading how you've changed, how they've changed, and thinking about everything that didn't happen in-between." That is the most startling default setting of the Facebook messaging system. My email inbox, which is sorted strictly by date order, obscures the gaps in communication I have with some correspondents. (Cleaning out my drafts folder from time to time discloses those gaps.) But real-world analogies of this are receiving Christmas cards after a gap of a few years in correspondence, and the like. The strength of communication in each relationship ebbs and flows, or so I have observed for more than five decades now.
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officemonkeyover 12 years ago
I love it when 20-somethings talk about "growing old."<p>I'm in my 40s, and I'm pretty much the same person I was in 2007. Same haircut, same career, and mostly the same friends.
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sergiotapiaover 12 years ago
I have many aunts and married friends on Facebook who upload tons of images of their kids.<p>I wonder what plans, if any, Facebook has to reach out to those kids in 10 years time when they are "old enough" (heh) to use Facebook.<p>Can you imagine having your entire life documented on some website? Pretty creepy in my opinion. I have to discourage my wife to upload images of our kids.
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keithpeterover 12 years ago
We have photo albums going back 4 and 5 generations. We have postcards sent by great grandparents and grandparents during the first world war. I can imagine Neal Stephenson like alternative stories about people falling out when they come back...<p>I think that - as often with the digital/Internet thing - it is not qualitatively <i>new</i> having documents of yourself, but the huge increase in the <i>quantity</i> of this information and the way it lives <i>outside your control</i>. Same way that mix tapes in the two tape drive days were copyright violation, but had a considerable time and effort barrier so not too many got made and they had limited distribution. Digital copying is low effort, and broadcasting trivial. Hence problems...<p>PS: I'm 54 and think about Life, Time &#38;c quite often.
Wintamuteover 12 years ago
I'm 32 and Facebook has turned into a nightmare cavalcade of weddings and other people's children. No more smiling faces, parties or high jinks, just more wrinkles, more responsibilities, more towing the line.
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da02over 12 years ago
"These pristine reflections of our former selves will live on in the tombs of archived data; they will outlive us."<p>True. However, from what I have seen, most people don't even care what they were like before.<p>The majority of people are too concerned about their idiot kids and mortgages to contemplate and ponder about life, time, etc. Once you have kids and a mortgage, I doubt you will even care about backing up clayallsopp.com.<p>Don't take my word for it:<p>* the anti-war hippy generation. * the Ayn Rand crowd of the 60s/70s. * the Springsteen/anti-nuclear generation. * the Ron Paul generation.<p>They are all now (or will be) a bunch of yuppies worried about their retirement benefits. They have "better" things to do than to ponder about life, time, etc.
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waitwhatwhoaover 12 years ago
This and a few other interesting concerns are up in Delete[1] by Viktor Mayer-Schönberger.<p>This is a very interesting book that explains a lot of historical context for how the digital age differs from what came before. The linked blog post highlights the temporal aspect of digital memory - that a post from a day ago is as easily accessible as one from ten years ago.<p>Perhaps even more important is that because we limit what we post, context gets completely removed. So many people carefully curate their identity that the image we see of a person is not only an image from N years ago, but is also only what N years ago's version of one's self chose to publish to the web.<p>We definitely live in interesting times, I would encourage anyone that thinks on this phenomenon to check out the book.<p>1. <a href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8981.html" rel="nofollow">http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8981.html</a>
kmfrkover 12 years ago
Someone once reminded me of how all our digitally catalogued photos come with status messages.<p>I don't know what difference that will make compared to analogue Kodak moments, but it's very interesting to think about.<p>Mostly, I'm happy that my childhood photos won't come with horribly-spelt comments. :)
tomrodover 12 years ago
There is a way to fix this madness<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/help/224562897555674" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/help/224562897555674</a>
jraboneover 12 years ago
Nope. I treat Facebook as a 12 month delay line - any content older than that gets "deleted" (I maybe archive messages). I actually hate the whole idea and would have deleted my account a long time ago, but it's the only medium by which I'll get to see photos of my nephew until I build something simpler for our extended family to use.
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ElongatedTowelover 12 years ago
I must be the only one who finds that a bit... scary. But I don't keep old photo albums either.<p>Maybe it needs some kind of hate for your younger self to cut ties, cut hair, throw away old stuff and start a new life somewhere else, never looking back, while others reminisce.
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michaelochurchover 12 years ago
I think of Facebook as being like 1950s TV. Peoples' pictures show the atypical moments of their lives that they <i>wish</i> were typical: vacations, parties and weddings. No one posts pictures of their damn cubicles or dirty laundry.<p>A typical person who mistook those photos to reflect how peoples' lives <i>actually</i> are, and not rare moments out of years, would become envious and miserable.<p>As with the 1950s, which were nothing like what TV portrays the era as being, I worry that future generations will see these 2012-era photos and ask if our lives really were this glamorous, with average people constantly taking vacations. Well, no. That was not reality.
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