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_why is a role, not a person

48 pointsby athesynover 12 years ago

11 comments

waxjarover 12 years ago
I feel like OP read a psychological / philosophical book and feels the need to share his newly gained insights. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, I just think it's not very relevant on Hacker News.<p>The guy simply likes to be anonymous. So do I. There's not that much to it.<p>Woopdeedoo.
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killwhiteyover 12 years ago
&#62;So what makes a zebra a zebra then? I don’t want to get into it, but basically, I take the position that you can’t define something by what it is, you have to define it by what it does.<p>I like that the author doesn't embarrass himself by attempting to define a Zebra by what it does.
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tehwalrusover 12 years ago
uhhh, as with most existentialist nonsense, this does not follow.<p>_why was/is a <i>name</i> (or alias), not a role - it refers to a particular (awesome) dude, not a class of awesome dudes.<p>We don't all start calling each other "Steve Jobs" when we put on black polo-necks and start being mean to each other.<p>You can redefine it as a role if you want, but that's a semantic change to English that I can disagree with (and will.)
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hipsterelitistover 12 years ago
_why is both an attempt at a symbol and a person. Most of the interest around the persona was generated by the eccentricity in hiding as much as (if not more than) around the other theatrics and unique works created. That's not how you create a symbol, that's how you create curiosity and interest. I know its a dirty word, but its marketing (and marketing that the ruby community needed, it certainly helped to popularize things in the early days). In going into hiding and ripping away his works, he actively destroyed the symbol and very concretely attached it to the actions and whims of one man.<p>Its nice to think that it could be a symbol, and maybe it is... but it would only be due to the actions and desires of the ruby community.
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davesimsover 12 years ago
This comment will probably be met with a bit of derision, and maybe deservedly so. It is admittedly over-analyzing a bit of micro-community ephemera that probably doesn't warrant such high-falutin' pretense to intellectualism. I can only beg off that I've always seen philosophy as kind of the ultimate 'hack' as it were, and when someone starts intersecting the two worlds of philosophy and software I get really intrigued and find myself compelled to over-comment. The following will not be to everyone's taste, I am mainly responding to Steve here -- and just as an aside, he's invoking some pretty ancient philosophical discussions and doing it well. For those of you bored with such, this is not for you...<p>That said: I think the trick here is to be careful that we not confuse process philosophy (Whitehead, Bergson, Hartshorne) for pure nominalism, or the pure separation of identity/name/essence from its object. Process philosophers, as I read them, as a general category try to bridge the tension between idealism (the reification of essence or form into an eternal fact) and nominalism (the view that all names/essences are purely ad hoc and never actually representative of the substances they attempt to indicate).<p>It's not that process philosophers reject essences out of hand, but that they attempt to find more descriptive language that accounts for the constant motion and change of substances. So Bergson had the notion of "Duration" and Whitehead had "occasions" and "ingressions." Names, essences in the process view expanded further along the ontological spectrum than the ad hoc naming of Occam/nominalism, but never so far as Platonic 'ideals' which are eternal and unchanging. It's really, at the bottom of it, not <i>that</i> far from Aristotle himself, but with language that pulls notions of essence further toward immediacy and the Heraclitean flux (i.e., You can't step in the same river twice -- or maybe even once).<p>All this to say, I wonder if the notion of a 'role' is truly descriptive here -- the role itself changes, as does Subject. The idea of "_why" as a free-floating identity actually, to my mind, moves it further towards an Idealism rather than the process/duration ideas you seem to be advocating. "_why" in this scheme becomes almost a pure abstraction devoid of the context of having been invented and inhabited by Subject.<p>Questions of essence always become arcane and you can chase this rabbit down countless holes. For the issue at hand, to me it becomes a question of execution rather than definitions. "_why" as a role is only as abstract as Subject makes it. Compare with, say Bob Dylan, who to my mind has spent most of his career negotiating the same dilemma. There's no question that "Dylan" is a character that Robert Zimmerman has been playing and inhabiting for decades, with varying degrees of theater and overlap between real autobiography and pure myth-making. _why/Subject is playing a similar game here probably for similar reasons, and the connection between the two and how much real biography and myth-making is really up to Subject.<p>In other words, I don't think the idea of "_why" as a free-floating 'role' is completely adequate here -- the narrative is too entangled in the community's mind with Subject for it to become <i>purely</i> abstract/theatrical/literary and divorced from its creator. We're not going to see _why fan-fiction any time soon, and I suspect if anyone else starting writing in the voice of _why, it would quickly be spotted and met with opprobrium. Whatever distance between Subject and the _why role there is remains in the hands of Subject and in the nuance of how he executes the theater of it.<p>For me personally I've been fascinated with his creative persona since I read the Poignant Guide many years ago and love his creative integrity and sense of whimsy and fun. Totally unique in the software world, and one of the big reasons I was attracted to Ruby in the first place. It'll be fun to see how/if Subject plays this out.
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timinmanover 12 years ago
I think that is a little too deep. I think _why is a nickname. Lots of people on the Internet use nicknames. He's posting stuff to his domain again, and people who are excited about that don't need to be told not to be.
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nicholassmithover 12 years ago
Interesting take on it, similar in some regards to what Nolan did at the end of The Dark Knight Rises. _why is essentially a symbol of the ruby community, anyone can be _why, is it important who's underneath the mask? For some people yes, there's a mystery to be solved, for others it's enough that they're there doing what they're doing, and by adopting the mask they obviously want to remain behind it.<p>I'm on the fence, mostly as I came to ruby and RoR long after the _why era, but I get why someone might value their privacy and remain hidden whilst working in public.
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guestover 12 years ago
It's the dread pirate ruby!
atomicalover 12 years ago
"I use very different terms than when I’m speaking with my Republican ‘Murican relatives."<p>I don't know why people feel the need to do this. Someone has different political beliefs. Deal with it.
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michaelfeathersover 12 years ago
It's turtles all the way down.. 'The Ego Trick' by Julian Baginni is a good book on the subject (no pun intended).
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bitwizeover 12 years ago
Coming up next on Obscure Subculture News, the shocking revelation: Gabe and Tycho aren't people. They're cartoon characters.