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Bradley Manning Takes "Full Responsibility" for Giving WikiLeaks Government Data

102 pointsby cyphersanctusabout 12 years ago

7 comments

bdcravensabout 12 years ago
I can't deny that he violated the trust placed in him by the military. That's a scary game, and one that I can't honestly take a position in, as I've never served.<p>However, I feel that service is more than to your branch, commander, or unit. What is a soldier? Someone willing to sacrifice themselves for a greater, to defend those who can't defend themselves, to bring honor to their service. A US soldier serves the people first, the government second. Manning realized the risk he was placing his life in, and like a true soldier, he didn't let that knowledge deter him. In taking responsibility, he's holding his head high, not cowering behind attorneys and HTTP proxies.<p>I can't say if he's right or wrong, but I can say that he showed courage befitting his title.
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austingunterabout 12 years ago
Full responsibility. Let's break that down.<p>Full responsibility, on the surface, means that Manning is taking full responsibility under the law, and is not shying away from the legal consequences of his actions. He knows that according to the laws and the power structure, he's accountable for his actions which threaten said laws and power structure. Those self-interested parties will react in the appropriate way to defend the status quo.<p>Full responsibility to history means something else entirely.<p>Full responsibility to history means that Manning doesn't shy away from the responsibility he has in challenging a corrupt power structure, and fighting for the rule of law. He's accepting responsibility for standing up for truth, in spite of the legal consequences. He's accepting full responsibility for being part of something bigger than himself.<p><i>Salutes</i>
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smogzerabout 12 years ago
Manning was just a kid, playing games, never thought he was doing something that these skeletors of society would pursue him in the future for.<p>And again, something that had no consequences gets a kid to suffer the rest of his life, just to keep military and courts and other "serious people" all of which that could also be seen as criminals of bigger crimes such as inflicting pain for a living (military instead of farmers and abundance, lawyers and judges instead of friendship and disputes in games and drinks). And these military go to war with the mote to spread freedom and democracy, what for ? to arrest kids for life ?<p>Skeletors of the world... grow up, relax, have a beer and life for the swords to plow shares or tanks to tractors, or drones to aerial seed planters!
dromidasabout 12 years ago
Today a criminal... in 100 years a hero.
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mpyneabout 12 years ago
I am so, so, <i>so</i> disappointed that the narrative of the facts has been warped into something that isn't true. I expected it on Reddit, but not so much here.<p>Given that I actually serve, let me explain why: He did the INFOSEC equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb.<p>Whistleblowing is going, "Hey, I have evidence of War Crime FOO, I should leak this to somebody and blow the whistle". Not, "Oh, look at all this data I have access to, let's just FTP this shiat up to the latest foreign national to hit the news".<p>In the DoD whistle-blowing is actually a thing, believe it or not. For instance U.S. soldiers committed a horrible atrocity in Iraq involving murder, rape, and arson [1]. The world was alerted to this by an Army soldier (of all things) , Pfc. Justin Watt, who revealed it to a mental health practitioner, who got U.S. Army investigators involved. Notably, Pfc. Watt suspected his chain-of-command would not believe him or would try to cover it up, and yet he still managed to alert investigators without revealing an entire CD-R's worth of classified material.<p>Pfc. Manning did none of this. He didn't alert U.S. Army CID, the U.S. Army Inspector General (IG), the DoD IG, an American friend back home, a fellow soldier, or even the American media (as the Pentagon papers had been revealed). <i>Edit</i>: Turns out that Pfc. Manning almost managed to inform the media, but ran out of patience (or coffee, or something).<p>But all of this is assuming that Manning had details of a set of war crimes (1 or many). Even <i>this</i> ends up being more favorable to Manning than reality though. Manning didn't leak "war crimes", he leaked <i>whatever info he could download</i>, without verifying that it was all actually evidence deserving of whistle-blowing. Much of those "evidence of war crimes" were instead the most mundane types of reports (e.g. diplomatic cables describing how Putin and Berlusconi were buddy-buddy, or patrol reports describing how soldiers patrolled a certain area to verify the safety of an Afghan informant). However nice it might be to peek into diplomatic traffic from the outside, it was still classified, it was not evidence of war crimes, and Manning never read it all anyways before he leaked it to a foreign national over an unsecure network.<p>"But what about all the good stuff he was trying to do?", you might ask. Turns out he even had an ulterior motive to be mad at the Army, he had recently been demoted from Specialist for physically assaulting a fellow soldier. I'll bet Pfc. Manning doesn't even know how much of his exfiltration job was to get back at the Army, and how much was to "blow the whistle". And either way, you don't do horrible things just because it turns out well for a few people (unless you're a Wall St. banker, I suppose).<p>The saddest part is that prior to 9/11 Manning wouldn't have been able to dream of having access to the information he had access to.<p>9/11 exposed deep flaws in the U.S. government's ability to handle intelligence agencies amongst the various agencies. It was better for FBI to hoards its intel, CIA to do the same, and etc. all down the line. After 9/11 it was finally realized that this wouldn't work when trying to defend from the kind of terrorism which kills thousands of people at a shot, and so interagency cooperation became the watchword.<p>The thinking went, if we can trust a soldier enough to die for his country, have his own weapon, and have him analyze the workings of an Islamist group in Iraq, then surely we can trust him if we give him all the intel he needs to do his job, right? Right? I mean really, who's the bigger threat here, Al Qaeda or Pvt. Garcia?<p>But it only takes one disgruntled soldier to prove otherwise.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings</a>
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samstaveabout 12 years ago
How many waterboardings did that take?
jarinabout 12 years ago
Looks like they finally broke him.
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