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Ask HN: Should I Keep Going?

21 pointsby rickharrisonabout 16 years ago
I'm 20 years old and I've learned a lot on HN while reading it for the better part of the past year. In the past couple months I have been working on my second startup with a few other friends/developers. The nature of our business requires either capital to contract out graphics work or have a graphic designer on board. Since we have no capital we have been looking for a graphic designer. Ideally it would be another student, but we have been unable to find anyone. The other option is contracting out, but since we are college students thats not really an option. I am just beginning to feel like its not possible for this startup to happen without raising some amount of capital.<p>What do you think I should do?

17 comments

pgabout 16 years ago
I was thinking this would be a post about how some startup was facing terrible obstacles. If the only problem is that you can't find someone with design ability, the answer is easy: try harder. They're all over, especially at colleges.<p>Incidentally, as other posters have pointed out, you may be in danger of confusing graphic design with UI design. They overlap but they're not identical.
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bjplinkabout 16 years ago
I originally wrote an incredibly snarky reply (it even had a link to a simple Google search) but I'm reconsidering now...<p>In any collegiate environment you should be able to find plenty of art students looking for opportunities to build a portfolio. Find them. Use them. Pay them if they insist but I guarantee you can get away with offering very little.<p>Whatever it is you do, don't offer them stake or equity. Just get what you need done and move on.<p>Right now freelance graphic design is as cutthroat and savage as ever. People will do anything for insanely cheap prices. If you can scrape together a little money I think you'd be surprised to find out how far it can go if you look in the right places. Try freelance message boards and even somewhat seedier places like Digital Point (<a href="http://forums.digitalpoint.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104" rel="nofollow">http://forums.digitalpoint.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104</a>).
prosperoabout 16 years ago
Your business is doomed to fail without a graphic designer? Unless you're selling graphic design, I'm not sure how that's possible.<p>But if it really is that crucial, maybe you should revisit the business idea you're pursuing. If your team doesn't have one of the core competencies you need to succeed, there seems to be a disconnect somewhere in your planning.
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monologicalabout 16 years ago
You can always do the graphics yourself. Grab a copy of Gimp if you don't have photoshop and start designing. What exactly is holding you back from doing it yourself?
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asnyderabout 16 years ago
I would suggest the following:<p>Spend $25 or whatever it costs in your target region to post an ad on craigslist. This ad should say that you're a small startup, etc. Telecommuting should be ok.<p>Describe the kind of designer you're looking for as well as the work that they'll be doing.<p>You can say that it's an unpaid internship, assuming you're incorporated in some way, and have them work up to the maximum number of months allowed by your state's laws. If you're not incorporated in any way and prefer a designer for a longer period of time consider offering them equity in return for their work.<p>If you post the above ad properly you should receive hundred of applications many from talented designers, many of whom are recent graduates, or traditional designers seeking to switch to the web. Most of all they're looking for real world experience and this opportunity should provide them with that.<p>The only drawback is that it will require a bit of effort on your part to let them know what they're doing right, and what they're doing wrong. When they're doing something wrong try to point them to examples or resources that can help them learn. You'll be getting a designer, while they'll be getting invaluable experience.
ryuioabout 16 years ago
Do this.<p>1. Read the countless photoshop tutorials on the net and learn it. (if you can't the startup aint going nowhere anyways).<p>2. Read the book 'Dont make me think.'.<p>3. Read it once again.<p>4. Do the ui/graphic design yourself.<p>5. Get a good designer to critique your site and spend about an hour on it. (shouldnt cost much)<p>6. Redo your site based on feedback. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
jerfabout 16 years ago
There are many places where you can grab very liberally-licensed graphics. If those don't do whatever unspecified thing you need them to do, they can probably still serve as a base since it's easier to modify than to start from scratch, especially if you find SVG/Inkscape/whatever source too. A bajillion web designs can be found too with liberal licensing. The combinations of liberally-licensed graphics and liberally-licensed web designs opens up yet another easily-accessible vista of design combinations.<p>Someday when I get around to it, that's what I plan to do with my site. (Once upon a time, I decided to do the design from scratch myself. What have I learned since then? I'm absolutely, utterly terrible. Oh well, lesson learned.)<p>Look around, search for things with Creative Commons commercial licenses on them. You'll probably be able to come up with what you need.
SingAlongabout 16 years ago
If you are specifically looking for a college student, You should try at college fests or such events where web design competitions are held. Just participate in some of these (even if you are bad at design, just participate to meet people and also try your luck. You might be good at design yourself) and you'll see some guys recurring at many competitions. Find out if they are winning atleast a few times in those competitions.<p>That's just one way of doing it.<p>Why not a HN job post about your requirement? :P
vakselabout 16 years ago
getting a freelancer is cheaper than you might think. $200-300 bucks can probably get you what you need.
cmosabout 16 years ago
Don't let this be your roadblock! Start working on tutorials for gimp and you'll be surprised how good you can make things look (my 'goto' in graphics has always been to add a gradient and/or a shadow).<p>When you have something working you might be able to attract more interest from graphic designers. In the meantime, try art schools or high school students looking for a project.
mattjaynesabout 16 years ago
Others have done it. Remember - be "relentlessly resourceful".<p>Find a designer - offer a code for design trade.<p>Find a few designs you like, then "borrow" their best elements for your own design.<p>Look at freely available creative commons designs on sites like <a href="http://www.freecsstemplates.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.freecsstemplates.org/</a>
prateekdayalabout 16 years ago
Once you raise capital, it may not be possible to do the startup because you can't find the right marketing guy at this budget. There will always be obstacles. Just release something people can start using and then invest resources in whatever brings most returns. Thats the way to go for bootstrapped businesses. You are not alone.
sgk284about 16 years ago
I've had wonderful success with 99designs.com. Great work that is crowd-sourced for amazing prices. If you use them my one recommendation is to guarantee the action (you'll see what that means when you create it). You'll get a lot more submissions that way.
somethingabout 16 years ago
so, what is it- graphic design or interface design?
Zevabout 16 years ago
You're in college. Go down to your art department and see if they have an art class you can take. Or at the very least, will let you put up fliers somewhere in the building.
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ilakshabout 16 years ago
This is YN. He wants to know how to raise capital. Does no one understand that?<p>Rick Harrison: what is your business model?
pclarkabout 16 years ago
Hi, I'm a UI designer -- and my girlfriend is a graphic designer.<p>Drop me an email [in my profile] and we'll sort this out.