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Ceding the Crown

48 pointsby siglesiasabout 12 years ago

9 comments

nhashemabout 12 years ago
It's unfortunate that Gruber has essentially become synonymous with Apple fanboyism, because I think he raises some salient points here. To any reader that is familiar with his writing, it'll come across as the typical Apple cheerleading, suggesting that weaknesses are actually strengths, and any competition isn't really competition because Apple is really just engaged in a long-term, visionary, eleventy-dimensional chess match in its noble and exalted goal of driving the human race forward.<p>But I agree with him on the first two misconceptions he tries to correct. The iPhone was never a market share game. In 2004, the original Motorola RAZR was like $400 at launch, and three months later it came free in cereal boxes. That's what you do when you are trying to gain market share. Apple's products are effectively a luxury brand for consumer electronics, and criticizing Apple for not winning the market share game is like criticizing Lulumelon for selling fewer yoga pants than Target.<p>Also, the iPhone and iPhone 3G were objectively great products. It would have been great even if RIM wasn't releasing awful products by comparison. Their other product lines have continued to be popular even as other companies have learned how to make products that are just as thin or have screens just as sharp. So I agree with him on that point, that there's not much merit to the argument, "well the iPhone only sold well because everyone else sucks, and now the Galaxy is just as good so they're screwed."<p>But, his third point is where I diverge with him on his conclusions. <i>"Apple is a great competitor. In the PC industry they’ve fought back from the brink of bankruptcy to become the most profitable and fastest-growing PC maker in the world. They came in and stole the music player market, and have dominated it for over a decade."</i><p>Well, look. To suggest that this is a <i>fait accompli,</i> without even mentioning the fact that <i>Steve Jobs is no longer with the company so maybe they're going to struggle in learning how to 'fight back' without him,</i> is extremely misguided to me. I never knew Steve Jobs personally, but I'd like to think that if he visited Apple now, he'd say something like, "I've been dead for two years and we're still talking about which company is better at making flat touch screen computers? That's boring now. Let's invent something new. And by the way, fire whomever thought it was okay to have 21 icons on the iPhone 5."<p>Like I said, I don't know Steve Jobs, and I don't work at Apple. But it would seem like if you're going to suggest Apple's still on the ball and market share is irrelevant because they're focused on 'advancing the human race,' you'd probably want to explain how they're going to do it without the one guy that coined the motto to begin with.
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mrichabout 12 years ago
This reads like a populist piece, trying to convince people with arguments that sound logical but are just wrong.<p>Of course Apple had the market share lead with the iPhone. But the category was not "smartphone". They had a dominating lead in the category "mobile phone with touch UI and great web browser" from 2007-2010. Nobody cared about Symbian anymore after the presentation of the iPhone. That category was left to die. The iPhone became the new state of the art for smartphone.<p>Apple lost the lead around 2011 however due to the unwillingness to provide more than one model or innovate faster. Android was more flexible and could address more users.<p>Now it may well be that Apple doesn't care about this at all. But please do not make arguments how technically Apple never led in the smartphone market.
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polemicabout 12 years ago
I don't know if the article has been edited since Gruber first read it, but there appear to be sufficient statistics to back up Gupta's assertions:<p>&#62; <i>"Samsung had 30.3 percent of the smartphone market in 2012, up from 19 percent a year earlier. Apple's share was 19.1 percent last year, up from 18.8 percent in 2011."</i><p>Gupta's general tone is eminently reasonable:<p>&#62; <i>"That onslaught, coupled with growing uncertainty about whether the U.S. giant can sustain growth in coming years, has contributed to a 30 percent decline in Apple's stock since its September peak."</i><p>I don't see a <i>“Oh, how the mighty Apple has fallen” narrative</i> - Gupta is commenting on <i>the market's bet against Apple</i>. <i>If</i> the market is really knocked off 30% of their value based on media scaremongering, you've got (a) a huge market failure, and (b) a sure bet in Apple.<p>Gruber's only contribution to the discussion appears to be hand-wringing about the way poor old Apple is being treated.
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realizeabout 12 years ago
His main point (and the title of his article) is that people are stating as fact that apple has fallen, whereas their profits are still stronger than anyone's. This is true, and he must feel like hes in a world of crazy people that its even necessary to point this out.
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sgdesignabout 12 years ago
I won't read this, because I feel like I've been reading the same exact article every day for the past year.<p>It's not a question of fanboyism. I completely agree with everything he's saying. I just don't understand why he needs to address that Android vs Apple <i>day after day</i>.<p>Am I missing something here? Does what blog X says about Apple or what magazine Y says about Samsung have any impact on the world whatsoever? John Gruber seems like a smart guy and I'm continuously baffled by his decision to devote so much time and effort to such a trivial matter.
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bad_userabout 12 years ago
I wish people would stop posting garbage from John Gruber.
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shadowmintabout 12 years ago
I think he's missing the point. This isn't a commercial fail for Apple, its a public relations fail.<p>Two years ago, I knew maybe 2 people who didn't want an iphone. I now, personally, know perhaps 4 people who want one.<p>You think that isn't a fall from grace in the public opinion?<p>It is. It's a colossal blunder for Apple, and "once stood the undisputed leader of the smartphone arena, but ceded its crown to Samsung in 2012." seems a fair (harsh, yes, but under the circumstances, I think pretty fair) comment.<p>I'm not arguing with the points in the article; they seem quite reasonable (unusually so, for Gruber), but there's more to this story than 'how commercially successful is Apple'.
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nasmornabout 12 years ago
Going by the headline I was hoping he would finally anounce that he is officially ceding markdown leadership thus making the life of the people actually working on it better.
rglullisabout 12 years ago
<i>We've never been at war with Eastasia...</i>