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Show HN: Webflow - Design responsive websites visually

503 pointsby callmevladabout 12 years ago

60 comments

callmevladabout 12 years ago
Co-founder here. My brother and I quit our jobs 7 months ago, and have been working on this day and night off of our savings since then.<p>The CSS Playground is a preview of our CSS styling tools, and we'll be adding some of our other components (layout, adding new elements, code export) soon. Currently, it only works in Chrome, but we're working hard to add Firefox support.
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bryanhabout 12 years ago
First of all: congrats on launching! 7 months is a <i>long</i> time, it has to feel good!<p>A long time ago I built "squeeze page" manager which had an editor like this (it was simpler and more focused on content management). I sunk a lot of time into it. However, I ran into the same problem I bet you guys will run into: "the design tool chasm". On one end are simple tools for publishing on the web (Weebly and Wordpress) and on the other are professional tools (Photoshop and Sublime Text 2/Textmate). In between are tools that no-one really wants.<p>Basically, don't stop at the editor. Its a feature. Take a look at Unbounce or HubSpot for "marketing tool" inspiration and Weebly and Wordpress for "publishing tool" inspiration. Or, if you want to be used by professional designers, you'll need to go in a whole different direction (which is likely the one you are on now). Of course, if you have target customers that love this as is, their feedback vastly trumps mine. But never stop talking to your target customers (steal them from the big boys with your personal touch and solve their problems)! Good luck guys!
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mnicoleabout 12 years ago
Holy wow, great work guys! This is exactly the type of tool a lot of designers are looking for to bridge the gap between design and code (or at least get their feet wet before diving into it full-on). Hopefully this will get more visual artists using services like CSSDeck and Codepen, unless you plan on venturing into this realm yourselves to allow the community to create assets for everyone else to use - which would be fantastic.<p>Personally, because I still prefer writing from scratch, I'd use it after I thought I had a good framework coded up already just to quickly tweak it and try out some other ideas. Not sure how you plan on monetizing, but a tiered system for those of us who wouldn't use it to create from scratch would be appreciated, even though I'm not sure how you'd determine that (imports only?).
webwielderabout 12 years ago
This is really nice, but I just can't get too excited over web apps. Whether it's not having direct access to my source files, relying on the service to stay up (either from server or business issues), working when offline, not having access to OS-level services, the clunkiness and slowness compared to native, or the cognitive overhead of the app being inside another app, I think I'll always prefer desktop apps.
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johnnynabout 12 years ago
This is so well done. Really impressive. It seems like a great tool for both designers and developers. The more I develop responsive sites, the more I realize how difficult and tedious it is. Hopefully, this takes a lot of the pain away.<p>I'm also super jealous you have a brother that you can develop a product with. My brother is a systems guy and doesn't want to create software at all.
webwielderabout 12 years ago
Divshot vs. Easel vs. Webflow: Go.
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serkanyersenabout 12 years ago
This is way better than any Adobe application I've ever used :) no joke. I'm very impressed with the UI components that's some masterpiece over there. I demand you to release a UI framework haha.<p>Also this is probably first HN thread that everyone seem to like what they saw, no nitpicking at all. This must tell you that you guys are on the right track.
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uxabhishekabout 12 years ago
Lots of companies I know use a custom version of bootstrap as their styleguide/pattern library. I'd pay a lot for a functionality that can enable us to use our visually different bootstrap somehow to make dev ready UI. That would be the most important differentiating feature for me. None of these do that <a href="http://playground.webflow.com/" rel="nofollow">http://playground.webflow.com/</a> <a href="https://www.easel.io/" rel="nofollow">https://www.easel.io/</a> <a href="http://froont.com/" rel="nofollow">http://froont.com/</a> <a href="http://html.adobe.com/edge/reflow/" rel="nofollow">http://html.adobe.com/edge/reflow/</a> <a href="http://jetstrap.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jetstrap.com/</a> <a href="http://www.divshot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.divshot.com/</a>
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yesimahumanabout 12 years ago
Hey guys, looks really awesome. I built Jetstrap (<a href="http://jetstrap.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jetstrap.com/</a>) which is attacking the problem in a different way for probably a different type of user, but this is really impressive. Great work!
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notmuchtotellabout 12 years ago
I found the scroll bars very frustrating. They are so small that I could not drag the bar around very easily (reminds me of default scroll bars in Ubuntu these days). The contrast is so bad between the part that is dragged and its background that it took me a few seconds to actually make out which is which. The contrast of some of the text being grey on a darker grey background in the right sidebar was hard on my eyes. That part wasn't as annoying to me as the scroll bars though.<p>I do like the idea of this. The functionality seems to be there.
porkerabout 12 years ago
Incredibly well done and beautiful too - well done guys!<p>One route you may not want to get sidetracked down yet... I'd love compontents from this to use inside a CMS. Whether tools from the sidebar, or the easy WYSIWYG editor (if people could drag pre-prep'd text + photo layouts into the page, even better) -- I'd pay money for these, to build them into client sites.<p>Just a thought - everyone is inventing these standalone SaaS apps, but for all us doing custom software development - it'd be great to gain the benefit too.
maxbrownabout 12 years ago
This looks fantastic, if it works smoothly it solves so many problems for me. Great work, great idea.<p>Have you thought at all about price point? IMO I wouldn't try to enter the hosting space, at least not yet. That's not the value for me. I think you have a great product in the works just as a front-end development platform. If it works as described, I'd put money down for it today (customer validation, check).
ryeabout 12 years ago
This website actually crashes my macbook pro.<p>No really. I have this bug (verified by genius tech) <a href="http://oleb.net/blog/2012/05/15-inch-mbp-mid-2010-crashing-to-black-screen/" rel="nofollow">http://oleb.net/blog/2012/05/15-inch-mbp-mid-2010-crashing-t...</a> which I haven't given to them for repair yet.<p>The Product button's visual transition repeatedly crashes my box. Otherwise, looks pretty cool :)
nlhabout 12 years ago
Congrats guys. I haven't had a chance to check out the full thing yet (reading HN on my iPad) but from a quick glance it looks incredibly thorough and well-done.<p>I think there will always be a contingent of folks who prefer to hand-code this stuff, but there is a larger contingent of folks for whom a great set of visual design tools will be incredibly valuable. So good on ya and good luck.
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jplurabout 12 years ago
Amazing work with this!<p>I'm working on something similar, so I know the monumental amount of work that must of gone into this app, really impressed and looking forward to seeing your other components.<p>Here's a screenshot of mine: <a href="http://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.selfsamegames.com/tmp/screen1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.selfsamegames.com/tmp/screen1.jpg</a><p>Congrats!
klemmytheklamabout 12 years ago
Disclaimer, I'm not a designer and don't know much css. When I look at that wall of buttons I don't know how to use them to do what I want. I feel like if I knew css, I could probably code up what I want faster that pressing a bunch of buttons. Thoughts from designers/front end developers?<p>The preview tools are awesome though!
preludabout 12 years ago
"The Webflow CSS Playground currently works in Google Chrome and Chrome Canary."<p>Another fine example of how Chrome is the new IE6...
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pknightabout 12 years ago
I'm both amazed and skeptical. This is some very nice work. I'm not sure if, in its current form, it would work well for all aspects of the design process. I think there are some trade offs compared to coding with text editors and dev tools.<p>I like having a tool that is super fast and responsive, and you lose some of that when it's embedded into the same page the site is being designed in. Having said that, it's easier to play with a design when you have an ui such as this. This mixes some of the advantages of photoshop with some of the advantages of designing in the browser. It's tricky to compete with the strengths of both tools and merge them into one.
justplayabout 12 years ago
I am desperately waiting for full launch . And, I am ready to sign up for whatever price.
tnorthcuttabout 12 years ago
I submitted this yesterday, but linked to the home page: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5396626" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5396626</a>
shurcooLabout 12 years ago
That is very impressive, congrats!<p>I'd really like to know the following: what process did you follow to create that 10min UI Tutorial video [1]?<p>Did you rehearse it and then record it all in one go? How did you memorize the script? Did you edit it with multiple takes of various scenes? Etc. Thanks so much.<p>[1] <a href="http://vimeo.com/62227334" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/62227334</a>
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ErikRognebyabout 12 years ago
Wow. This is incredibly well done.<p>Getting out of previous mode wasn't immediately apparent. Perhaps more of a tab on the hidden tray?
SamirSamabout 12 years ago
I like the idea and it is very much a need of aspiring entrepreneurs who know little about tech. But I generally believe that it can cater to even those who know how to code good HTML and CSS to save time. Do let me know how well does your tool cater to generating mobile / responsive websites.
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ajaxguyabout 12 years ago
Awesome!! I tried to signup on your launch, but it says email is wrong. Fyi, I gave my personal email.
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jimmybookabout 12 years ago
Definitely love the fact that it's pre-designed. I think the FireFox support + responsive functionality is the right direction to go as those are the things I hate worrying about when doing front end work. As a Firebug user, I think this definitely fits into my toolbox.
joonixabout 12 years ago
This is awesome, bookmarked. This will help me because I've always struggled with CSS since I never sat down and actually learned it.<p>Just one thing - much of the text doesn't seem to render so smoothly. Is that intentional or is it just me...? Chrome on Windows fwiw.
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Kiroabout 12 years ago
Do you mind telling us about the stack? It's a pretty impressive UI. Feels very native.
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jdrummondabout 12 years ago
This is just GREAT! Made a tiny integrated app in under 5 min (including reading the docs). 100 times easier than using one of those odd-looking PDF classes (php dev here).<p>Start billing me, I want to retribute your effort. Thanks for this! :)
bgnm2000about 12 years ago
As a UX engineer &#38; designer, I think this looks great. I could imagine many non-engineers or non-designers using it. However, the right side seems to be too unintuitive even for me.
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toddmoreyabout 12 years ago
This is one of the first browser-based UIs for design that I'd actually use. Impressive stuff.<p>Question: Is there (or will there be) a way to edit the content of a clickable element (button, link)?
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locusmabout 12 years ago
I'm tempted to lick that interface, but alas am at work.
mrtksnabout 12 years ago
This is cool, but I feel there still something missing with all these browser based editors. For some reason I still prefer sublimetext2+firebug
fduranabout 12 years ago
Looks very nice, reminds me of <a href="http://www.stylizerapp.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stylizerapp.com/</a> with added mobile/responsive
polskibusabout 12 years ago
Doesnt flow right on my htc desire. Both horizontal and vertical orientation. Seems like the width is always larger than the screen.
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mkr-hnabout 12 years ago
My #1 holdup when thinking about a project is making a site for it. I could see paying for this if the price isn't prohibitive.
kdazzleabout 12 years ago
It doesn't really work on an iPhone. Not super responsive to my trying to scroll. But I'm excited to check it out otherwise.
nerdbitesabout 12 years ago
Absolutely amazing guys. Most innovative, genuinely useful, and usable web app I've come across. Just... awestruck.
eobabout 12 years ago
This is great work! How do you plan on allowing people to add <i>new</i> elements? With a toolbox on the side?
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duiker101about 12 years ago
This is amazingly cool. I have to say, the first of this tools that is will probably use! well done!
sfaruqueabout 12 years ago
Really interesting work. What about offering a hosted version, similar to what SqaureSpace offers?
js-coderabout 12 years ago
This looks awesome! :) I hope it'll be useful for designing my side project when it's ready.
ttcbjabout 12 years ago
Wow, beautifully executed! Quite an achievement. Looking forward to trying it out.
faramarzabout 12 years ago
Very cool! Well done fellas, what's the plan going forward? Go after Weebly. ;)
ebahnxabout 12 years ago
Incredibly useful and elegant tool. Well done Vlad (and bro)!
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mtmcfarlabout 12 years ago
Great job! I'd love to see more about the tech stack.
mangorenabout 12 years ago
This is great, nice job! What did you use to build?
frankyooabout 12 years ago
dope. can't wait to give it a whirl. and thank you for building tools that empower designers. we need more products like webflow.
IznastYabout 12 years ago
Beautifully done. Looking forward to the launch!
Axsuulabout 12 years ago
Awesome execution guys and great design!
d2ncalabout 12 years ago
Doesnt seem to work on android + chrome.
lignuistabout 12 years ago
Another "Web Flow": <a href="http://www.springsource.org/spring-web-flow" rel="nofollow">http://www.springsource.org/spring-web-flow</a>
blufoxabout 12 years ago
Great UI. Awesome work!
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damniatxabout 12 years ago
This is just beautiful
xfourabout 12 years ago
Very well done!
leeoniyaabout 12 years ago
quality is top notch, good work.
eurodanceabout 12 years ago
buyout incoming, well done
webosbabout 12 years ago
very nice, good job guys!
jumpbugabout 12 years ago
this is pretty amazing
martincedabout 12 years ago
Video ain't working on Chromium / Linux (no Flash, no Java).<p>I really hate that: on a lot of sites videos plays just fine on Chromium / Linux without Flash.<p>How hard is it to create a website which serves videos in several formats depending on the client?
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uribsabout 12 years ago
As a non-web developer, what are the current most popular HTML+CSS WYSIWYG editors?<p>How do they compare to Webflow?