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Google Is Forbidding Users From Reselling, Loaning Glass Eyewear

40 pointsby crgtabout 12 years ago

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DannyBeeabout 12 years ago
I see a bunch of folks confusing first sale doctrines, contract law, etc here, so let me give a very short generalized primer:<p>1. The first sale doctrine is exhaustion of a single right of the exclusive copyright rights. In particular: It states that the right to restrict <i>distribution</i>[1] terminates upon first sale. It's codified at 17 USC 109, and states: "... the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy or phonorecord. "<p>As mention, this is exhaustion a very specific right of copyright, and applies to copyrighted works. In this case, that would be software. It has literally no bearing on <i>a contract as part of the sale of goods</i>, or whether you can sue for breach of that contract. It is a defense to <i>copyright infringement</i>.<p>To whit:<p>If I sell you a book, as part of a contract, and that contract says "no resale", and you sell it, the first sale doctrine would probably[2] prevent me from winning a lawsuit for <i>copyright infringement</i> but not prevent me from winning a lawsuit for for <i>breach of contract</i>.<p>2. Sales of tangible goods in the US are covered by the UCC (uniform commercial code). Every state has passed a version of the UCC (though not all are on the same revision, for this discussion, it doesn't really matter).<p>The UCC lets you freely contract for almost anything. It fills in and has default terms when not stated, requires some contracts be in writing, etc, but there is generally nothing that prevents you from doing something like preventing resale of an object. You can argue it's unconscionable to a court, or you can argue it violates some <i>other law</i> (antitrust, whatever), and thus the court should not enforce it but in most cases, it'll be a valid and enforceable contract on its face. In general, if you have a legal right to do something, you can validly contract to forgo that legal right. For example, you can promise to not marry anyone until age 30, promise to marry someone in exchange for money, etc (Neither of these would be UCC contracts)<p>3. As a final note, for sales of UCC goods, there is no additional consideration necessary for them to modify the agreement, only the general requirement of good faith.<p>I offer literally no opinion on the status of this particular agreement, or anything like it. The above is also not legal advice (among other things, i've left out exceptions, and merchant &#60;-&#62; merchant rules, and ...), just an attempt to clear up some common misconceptions.<p>[1] "to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;" Note that "distribute copies" does not mean "make copies", it literally means "distribute" an already made copy. Reproduction is a separate right.<p>[2] There are some current cases (and past ones) making arguments that you can contract away your first sale rights. The problem with this idea is that as titled and written, 17 USC 109 is, IMHO, not an affirmative right (and thus something you could agree to forego, even though some cases hold it must be pleaded as an affirmative defense), but instead a limitation on the exclusive rights <i>the</i> owner has. It's even titled " Limitations on exclusive rights: Effect of transfer of particular copy or phonorecord".<p>This is why the standard mechanism software companies attempt to use is to classify their agreements as <i>licenses</i> that do not transfer ownership, rather than <i>sales</i> that do. If you are not an owner, the first sale doctrine does not help you. Success varies in ability to convince courts they aren't selling software, but instead, licensing it. In the end, it may not matter if they can succeed by suing for breach of contract rather than copyright infringement :)
uncoder0about 12 years ago
If you read the terms @<a href="http://www.google.com/glass/terms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/glass/terms/</a> Specifically the 'Device Specific Addendum' at the bottom you can see that this restriction only applies to the Explorer Edition. I believe this article may be intentionally omitting this detail to create drama.
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simonsarrisabout 12 years ago
This seems normal and precedented.<p>When they handed out free Chromebooks 860 days ago[1] they had the same terms.<p>Of course they also said: <i>"Do not expose the device to water, moisture, or rap music."</i> Not sure how we were supposed to take the rest of the message seriously...<p>[1] <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1987536" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1987536</a>
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antiheroabout 12 years ago
If you buy a thing, do they have the right to do this? Is there a difference between "purchasing a physical item" and "entering a contract where someone supplies you a physical item on specific terms"?<p>Surely there are consumer rights that protect us from this insane greedy abhorrent shit?<p>What fucking right do companies have over your property? Surely even free-market capitalists should be recoiling in horror over this massive shit that is being taken over consumer rights?<p>The market is only as free as the consumer.
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swiftonespeaksabout 12 years ago
This was explicitly stated in the rules for the #ifihadglass lottery in advance. I'm all for railing against the decay of first-sale rights, but this seems like a sufficiently limited case that I have no worries. I find the article to be sorely lacking in such details.
crgtabout 12 years ago
I wonder about the relevance of the recent Supreme Court decision that stopped publishers from trying to limit the resale of imported textbooks:<p><a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/03/20/supreme-court-sides-against-textbook-publishers-resale-imported-works" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/03/20/supreme-court-...</a><p>But maybe someone with a better understanding of the law could help clarify the connection - if any?
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jfimabout 12 years ago
That's not different from all the hardware that bears the inscription "ENGINEERING SAMPLE - NOT FOR RESALE," other than the fact that they're promoted to a larger public (read: not developers that have drawers full of obsolete engineering samples). Some of that hardware is not the same hardware than the retail version and is essentially obsolete as soon as the retail version comes out, due to a different BOM between the sample and retail version and the fact that the manufacturer does not want to support the prototype version with updates.<p>It doesn't make any sense for Google to restrict the resale of the retail version, but at this point in time, Google Glass is not a product that is generally available. If they keep that restriction for the retail version, now <i>that</i> is news.
rickyc091about 12 years ago
I sincerely doubt Google will care if it's sold. They stated that you couldn't sell Google Wave / Voice / Gmail invites, yet they were all over eBay.<p>"Whether or not users will continue to be allowed to sell invites is unclear though, as Google Wave's terms say that users are prohibited from "Sell, trade, resell or otherwise exploit the Service for any unauthorized commercial purpose," though a number of Google Voice invites can also be found on the auction service."<p><a href="http://mashable.com/2009/09/30/google-wave-invite/" rel="nofollow">http://mashable.com/2009/09/30/google-wave-invite/</a>
zckabout 12 years ago
I wonder whether one could do something similar to concert tickets, and allow resales at face value, but not greater. Louis CK did that for his recent tour, and there wasn't (unless I missed it) widespread outrage; rather, people were happy to keep tickets out of the hands of scalpers.
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meyabout 12 years ago
How does this not run afoul of consumer protection rights?
Shinkeiabout 12 years ago
The issue I see here is that people were asked to submit entries to this contest because Google was trying to get product testing information from people who would actually use it... and in interesting ways. This guy is being disingenuous (and a douchebag IMHO) if he tries to sell it on ebay before he even has it in hand. He gives ethical consumers a bad name and should be taken out of the closed beta test. This is just like all the people/companies who mass purchase concert tickets the millisecond they come out and resell them at 1000% face value because of "free market" blah blah, but actually they created the artificial demand and increased the price by speculation.
nekojimaabout 12 years ago
I'd feel much better if they explicitly forbid users from wearing this eyewear around children, in public toilets, beaches, swimming pools, shop changing rooms, or anywhere else its use could be utilized to fulfill a perversion (this assumes they have the camera). So basically, probably means they can just wear them at home.
gokhanabout 12 years ago
&#62; <i>Welcome to the New World, one in which companies are retaining control of their products even after consumers purchase them.</i><p>A joke, right? After Amazon's removal of books remotely from Kindles and all those iSomething from Apple, Glass is far from being the first one.
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Vivtekabout 12 years ago
Makes sense. If what they want to do is index people.
kunaiabout 12 years ago
This is what RMS has been preaching all along.<p>It finally makes sense now.
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