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We just launched a new invoicing web app for under 10K. Check it out: Ballpark

83 pointsby alibosworthabout 16 years ago

24 comments

patio11about 16 years ago
I don't know how much of that $10k was for web design but however much it was it was money well spent.<p>Interesting choices in the pricing plans. I'm not sure I like using SSL as a differentiator -- I know it is quite common these days for many web apps, but particularly with invoicing you're putting third party (client of client) financial information out on an open wire because somebody was too cheap to pick the $50 a month plan.
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rickharrisonabout 16 years ago
First thing that hit me was "wow great design." I actually am looking for a designer for my next project. Could I contact you/metalabs about it?
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alibosworthabout 16 years ago
For the record, this was going to be the title but it didn't fit:<p>"The small company I work with, Metalab, has just launched a new estimating and invoicing web app for under 10k with no VC. It's called Ballpark, check it out."<p>Thanks for the comments on the design, all of the credit for that goes to the main Metalab guy, Andrew Wilkinson, see more here <a href="http://www.metalabdesign.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.metalabdesign.com</a>
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jerryjiabout 16 years ago
Unfortunately more attention has been drawn to the design of your site than its functionality.<p>While the design is great and you have all the reason to be proud of it, the long term success of your business will tie mostly, if not all, to the functionality rather than design.
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metalababout 16 years ago
This is Andrew from MetaLab. I just wanted to say thanks for all the compliments on the design. I hope that you guys will take it for a spin and let us know what you think.<p>Quoted from cominatchu: "The 'under 10k' price tag is misleading because it does not include the opportunity cost of the web designers time. In other words, one has to calculate (the hours spent by Metalab web designers * their normal hourly rate) and add this to 10k to arrive at a more accurate cost for building this site."<p>Yes, we really did build it for less than $10k. Our key expenses were: Rails development (1 developer a few hours a week), a SliceHost server, and some custom icons we hired out. We're planning to break it down in more detail on our blog in the next little while, but I'd like to debunk this a bit here. You're absolutely right about the cost being higher if you consider what it would normally cost at a full consulting rate, but I feel like that's kind of fallacious logic:<p>If you learnt how to woodwork, built a bookshelf, then told your friends that it cost you $15 (the price of the wood and a couple of screws), they aren't going to argue that the true cost was $500 (the hours spent learning woodworking or a carpenter's rate).<p>If a founder who was an incredible programmer paid himself $1,000/month during the early months of his startup, would you say that his time really cost the company $15,000 (what he would have charged at a consulting rate)?<p>The point isn't that someone with no technical skills can do this for 10k (after all, this is Hacker News, and I assume most of you are highly skilled in the field), we're just pointing out that we managed to create a business by pulling a few extra hours a week over 6 months. We didn't have to quit our day jobs, move to the valley, or build a board of advisors - we just went ahead and built it. This isn't to say that it's an especially complex app or that it is some sort of technical feat, just that a little bit of money went a long way.<p>I don't think taking funding is always bad or anything, especially small seed funding like YC. Sometimes advantageous ideas need money to make them happen. The point is that most of you already have many of the skills required to build things, so funding really shouldn't be a barrier to entry. If your idea requires more money than you have, boil it down to the bare minimum and build it within your budget. We could easily have decided that we wanted to build the best invoicing app ever, figured out that invoicing was a 1.3 kagillion dollar industry, secured some funding, built up the stakes, then gone crazy with features. We could have convinced ourselves that we needed to close down our consulting business, hire a full-time Rails developer, and move in together. Instead we took a simple idea that we felt wasn't being done right, boiled it down to its core, then built it when we had the time.
rksprstabout 16 years ago
You should have the pricing plans oriented to the top instead of the bottom. Because I want to look at "estimates" and look over to the other pricing plans to compare; with your format, the "estimate" is at a different eye level.
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cwilsonabout 16 years ago
The UI is great, love the simplicity, but I really don't want to use Paypal for anything. Freshbooks mails me a check or hooks up to any payment gateway I want to use, meaning I don't shell out for Paypal's fees. I'm also not seeing what this is doing that Freshbooks is not, other then having a nicer UI.
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bkbleikampabout 16 years ago
I saw the site a few days ago when @mike9r talked about it on Twitter and I am impressed with it.<p>I have tried Blinksale and FreshBooks (who I guess are your two most obvious competitors) and neither of those really worked out for me, so I am anxious to give Ballpark beyond clicking around a bit. I am constantly looking for something that is only as powerful as I need and fits nicely into my work flow.<p>My favorite feature is definitely the "news feed" that shows comments / payments / etc. - that is a great way to visualize what has gone on with the project.<p>And yes, great design :)
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cominatchuabout 16 years ago
The "under 10k" price tag is misleading because it does not include the opportunity cost of the web designers time. In other words, one has to calculate (the hours spent by Metalab web designers * their normal hourly rate) and add this to 10k to arrive at a more accurate cost for building this site.
webwrightabout 16 years ago
On the signup page, what percentage of people do you think undferstand the symbol for "infinity"?<p>Would recommend using the word "unlimited" instead.<p>Pretty nitpicky, though-- outstanding work and is serving a need that all businesses have. I'm more bullish on this startup than 99% of the startups that are introduced here.
pclarkabout 16 years ago
whats the breakdown of that $10K?
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henrikliedabout 16 years ago
The site looks absolutely amazing. Tried a free account for now, and I like the overall feel.<p>One thing I'd love to see: Implement autosave of invoice drafts, or at least a JavaScript popup whenever I try to navigate away from an unsaved form.
azrealusabout 16 years ago
I see some similarities to 37signals' layout design...
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sobriquetabout 16 years ago
Nice demo video!<p>One nit-picky detail, at 2:57, the VO says the Dashboard will "show how much money we received this month, last month, and last year, in addition to all the money you expect to receive in the coming weeks" The video shows 'received year to date', not what was received last year.<p>Probably not worth re-recording the VO (it sounds professionally done), and re-encoding, but I figured you should know :)
patrickg-zillabout 16 years ago
I like it, however I think you should allow more invoices to be sent at the lower level of the plans. Maybe just focus on the per-user limitations, and make the estimates generation more generous. Also everything should be over SSL - better for you and better for your customers, since if there is a data breach by the user they will still blame you.
austonabout 16 years ago
The metalabdesign guys are amazing!! I'm assuming you got the design for less than $10k? If so I need to contact those people!!
eguanlaoabout 16 years ago
I love it! I'm inspired. There are so many problems out there to be solved with Web applications, and money to be made.
mdolonabout 16 years ago
In the pricing plan page, the titles of each plan are a bit hard to read as they are black on a dark blue background.
bcaterabout 16 years ago
I was discussing building an internal payment management system over lunch today. Do you have an API that we could use instead?<p>As others have said, kudos on the design.
rymnghabout 16 years ago
You should really consider free membership with less features.
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merrick33about 16 years ago
I am curious what program you created the screencast in?
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jpwagnerabout 16 years ago
Great concept, great design, great execution.<p>How much is "ballpark.com"?
geuisabout 16 years ago
None of the buttons or links worked on my iPhone.
csomarabout 16 years ago
wow it's great! It seems also to have many features.<p>But I don't have much work online to go for it :)<p>-- Not accepting PayPal is a bad point --