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_why's complete printer spool as one book [pdf]

226 pointsby coffeejunkabout 12 years ago

35 comments

spraykabout 12 years ago
I emailed _why once, asking him how I should cite his name in a highschool project I was working on. Here is his response:<p><pre><code> You can use my name (why the lucky stiff) and the date of publication (feb 16, 2004 - present) as frequently in your studies as you wish, so long as you keep your grade point average up and you diversify your elective credits with a broad portfolio of subjects. I am specifically hoping you will bask in the study of 1930s Russian absurdist literature. Oberiu is the name of the movement. I will never forget you. </code></pre> Everything made sense after that, and the absurdist part of my world lit class that year.
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thaumaturgyabout 12 years ago
I think the thing I like about _why -- not that anybody asked -- is that I'm never sure what to think when I'm reading this stuff. Usually I can't get through more than a few sentences of something without judging it: "That was smart, this was insightful, this author is a moron, I don't think that was right, I disagree with that but I'm not bothered by their opinion..."<p>_why really kills that here.<p>I'm never sure if there's a point to what he's writing, if he's playing a joke on people, or if he's playing a character, or if he's being totally and completely honest in an unusual way.<p>I'm not sure if I'm the joke, he's the joke, or if we're sharing a joke.<p>Or if it's not a joke at all and I'm just too stupid to understand.<p>It's really neat.
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derefrabout 12 years ago
Fun moments for me:<p>- The thematic element of wishing that the reader <i>not</i> follow the "references" in the work--the iPhone smackdown, and later more clearly with the SACRED CLOWNS--leading later namedrops to pass without question. (In a strange way, it almost feels like the urge to look them up was similar to an urge to vomit: it has passed, and now I feel better.)<p>- Slipping into Inform 7 to actually tell a story. I almost wanted to paste it into an interpreter--it's valid Inform code--but it's more powerful <i>as narrative</i>, and more powerful <i>in</i> the narrative because of its structure. In the moment where he lost momentum and looked around for a next step, the world "branched out" into a space composed of choices. This is the one more little attempt to show people what "code as art" can mean.<p>- The realization that (possible spoilers) the last third of the book is the story of how he found himself working at a start-up. His reactions in-narrative mirror his comment earlier in the work that he's "learning to get over his hatred of entrepreneurs."<p>---<p>On the whole, a very coherent story. If you're having trouble making sense of it, make sure to interpret all the "deaths" in the story as <i>death of identity</i>, rather than <i>physical death</i>. Losing a job is death; breaking the social contract of a character is death; etc.<p>And now, the site is down, and the _why identity is dead once more.<p>(And on a melancholic, perhaps overly-personal note: I do so wish that I could be friends with that man. Not the identity, just the man. Talking about The Happening would be fine.)
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coffeejunkabout 12 years ago
Direct link to the pdf: <a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/8z6j7bju8qx7g7o/WHY_FULL.pdf?token_hash=AAFHqKM5vjJo185d-tm7sv1pC4UXI0LdD4WUBtvy2D4vUg&#38;dl=1" rel="nofollow">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/8z6j7bju8qx7g7o/WHY_FULL...</a>
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phren0logyabout 12 years ago
Printing a book as a print spool, including a self-referential handwritten program to print the spool? If you don't think this is fun, I just don't know what to tell you.<p>Speaking purely for myself, the absurdist nature of _why's work is part of the fun. The feeling of being a little bit confused but enjoying the moment is why I find programming interesting in the first place.<p>Keep up the great work _why!
obviouslygreenabout 12 years ago
I really don't understand the uproar and significance here.<p>I read through the book because I figured there'd be something insightful, interesting, or explanatory in there. There basically isn't. If it's just supposed to be art -- some kind of odd, disjointed story for its own sake -- then at least that's something, even if I didn't really care much for it.<p>I do like some of the presentation. The print queue thing is clever, and the variety of scans/handwriting/printing in the work, where it's not a hindrance to reading, is fun (I can see that the hindrance is part of the work, but it still comes off as obnoxious to me).<p>Still, it leaves me wondering: Why do people care about this? It's some guy that believed he wasn't a good programmer, stopped programming, went AWOL from the internet, was happy about it, and then apparently wrote some sort of strange fiction. OK, whatever floats your boat, but usually these fads pass. This one just won't go away, even though going away is exactly what the author did (or, arguably, is continuously failing to do).<p>Do those of you getting high on this see it as some kind of existential statement or puzzle? I think way too much is being read into the whole thing.
gnufiedabout 12 years ago
On anonymous programmers, I respect this guy - Icefrog. Lead designer of Dota2, long time maintainer of Dota1 (And the one who really brought the game to the fore), he even works for Valve but nobody knows who he really is.<p>To certain extent I think remaining anonymous forces you to be humble, which I think can be a good thing, but damn people want to put a name to everything.<p>EDIT: I suspect some people at Valve will at least know who he really is.
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coffeejunkabout 12 years ago
It is easy to see _why as "the crazy ruby guy who wrote some scripts and created all this drama around his persona". Even though _why did indeed write some (very useful) programs, I think this view of him misses the point and probably explains why so many people seem to be puzzled by his newest endeavour.<p>Yes, he wrote some Ruby code, but the code was his least important contribution.<p>_why was the first person to actually create art <i>around</i> and <i>about</i> software. Others before him have used software <i>as a tool</i> in their artistic process, but to my knowledge no one has ever taken coding as the subject of a performance art so intricate and beautiful as the character whytheluckystiff. All his scripts, all his writings, even all his quirky animations and songs show a love and passion for coding as a recreational activity that defies our conventional beliefs about software as a craft &#38; industry.<p>We often hear people in this community talk about elegant code, beautiful code, even code as art. But all these sentiments usually mean art in the form of <i>craftsmanship</i>: We want a shorter way to write the same web app, a more expressive way to create our tests, a more concise DSL for data manipulation. While all of these are worthy goals, they are only a tiny, tiny fraction of what coding really is or at least could be. If something doesn't help us build our MVP faster, it's useless to us. Isn't there more to software than that? Sure, there are people focusing on more esoteric stuff in their free time, writing their own Lisps, exploring different data structures, etc. But all of these activities still follow the same tenets: More efficient is better, smaller is better, better is beautiful. We are in love with perfection and purity, because that is what we (necessarily) strive for in our daily work.<p>_why was different.<p>Similar to how the decadent and symbolist movements of the late 19th century popularized "Art for Art's sake", _why devoted his whole opus to "Code for Code's sake". His work as a "freelancer professor" showed how much he cared about children learning programming as an enjoyable activity, not as a way to increase the supply of professional programmers. He also satirized our obsession with exactly this professionalism that tends to creep into our thinking and permeates our culture. In short, he used his character to show us aspects of software that were largely underrepresented or ignored in most mainstream discussions.<p>Personally, reading the poignant guide was the first time I read a piece of code not to understand the code, but to understand a wonderful story. I still don't know how to program in Ruby, but that doesn't matter. In my opinion the poignant guide never really was about Ruby. It was a wonderfully quirky book that happened to be using Ruby as its language. _why's style is absolutely unique and reflects his approach to coding: It doesn't have to be (what we normally consider) beautiful or clean, but it nevertheless forms a great and intricate experience for the reader.<p>Similarly, today was the first time that I regretted not owning a printer. To see new pages suddenly arrive in the tray to form a crazy and beautiful story must have been magical. Even using only a virtual printer it was wonderful to read the new parts of the book as they arrived and this experience alone made it worthwhile for me. The content itself deserves more than just this quick HN comment though.<p>So, if you want to know why so many people seem to enjoy the works of _why, set aside some time and start to dig through his estate of old stuff. Don't try to find something useful, just let the whole strange collection sink in. As is often the case with art, the subjective experience is hard to put into words as it depends so much on your personal context and the context of the artwork. I have definitely done a shoddy job trying to describe what makes _why special for me, I am not even sure it can be adequately put into words. But if you like things that are absurd, sometimes useless, yet strangely beautiful, then take a closer look at this works.<p>Thank you for everything, _why.<p>--<p>A friend asked me to post this for him.
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pervycreeperabout 12 years ago
&#62;84 pages<p>This saga is the height of self-indulgence.<p>I would provisionally explain all the hubbub around _why by the desire to flatter oneself that he can cross the gap between snow's two cultures (cf. apple).
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yathernabout 12 years ago
On page 58, there is more text that can be seen through the partially transparent page. I messed around with it trying to find the right amount of blur and noise removal and various effects on it to make the text most readable, and this is what I came out with: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/CyyWWBR.png" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/CyyWWBR.png</a><p>It looks like the title is "A-Power-Plant".<p>This leads me to believe that this section of the book has been printed out, laid on top of another book and scanned, so that it looks like a full book. Does anyone know what book it might be on top of?
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davidcollantesabout 12 years ago
With very few exceptions, all this comes across (to me) as mumbo-jumbo.
taylorbuleyabout 12 years ago
I've read _why's guide to Ruby but feel out of the loop here. What is this? Why is it significant?
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AliEzerabout 12 years ago
"Toutes les grandes amis que je n'ai jamais pu avoir." should be "Toutes les grandes amies que je n'ai jamais pu avoir." or "Tous les grands amis que je n'ai jamais pu avoir." (masculine). And even with the correct grammar, it sounds very awkward. Just sayin'.
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spur_ousabout 12 years ago
The aspect I enjoy, almost as much as his writing craft, is his presentation craft, any insights into how the 'book' was produced?<p>I'd love to understand better how things like the overbled text were created. A photocopy of laser printed text, then scanned perhaps?<p>The font faces and spacing seem to have been chosen with care, can anyone names the various faces used? guess at the layout software?<p>Then the PCL is some kind of concatenation of page (bitmapped) images I guess?
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parnasabout 12 years ago
I'm sorry.. I don't understand the fanatical devotion and sacrifice(for example, having a nervous breakdown, or leaving a job for some startup when you've got wife and family because of devotion to the python community) for scripting languages that are all more-or-less the same +- curly braces as ruby/python/perl/php/C whatever. Look for something else to be interested in--OCaml and F#.
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Luytabout 12 years ago
Does anyone have this PDF available for download? (without the need to register first, and without the need for a Facebook account)
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macarthy12about 12 years ago
At least _why makes life a little more interesting...<p>And why not.
wbhartabout 12 years ago
I only have questions, and _why is only one of them. The two burning ones for me are to what extent is he deliberate with the role his persona plays and to what extent are individuals trying to take a stab at what they think his role is, in the vain hope that he will take up the role again, having been given new direction by their witty proposal? (Easier to feel good about someone's role when they aren't disappeared. And let's face it, everyone is secretly itching to points whore all the forums with "_why is back!") And secondly, what did he mean that it is dangerous to come to us in this way? Are printer spools dangerous, or is he worried about the effect of the publicity on the person(a). Or is it dangerous for us? Has it really taken a year? Seems like forever and just a few days!
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drawkboxabout 12 years ago
Read a good portion of it, he is a good writer. Maybe that is the goal, the writing felt a bit Hunter S. Thompson gonzo style. Funny though that the more of a jerktoaster he became after being known, the longer he will be known, more than most. "I like what you've done with the character..."
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philwelchabout 12 years ago
This could be just the first part--remember that the last page was called NOTYET and shows a hand covering a handwritten journal page, implying that the story of why's escape from the Jobsians (which you can barely make out between his fingers) will be published in the future.
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cag_iiabout 12 years ago
It looks like a big commit was just made to the site repo... New site?<p><a href="https://github.com/cwales/cwales.github.com" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/cwales/cwales.github.com</a>
charlieflowersabout 12 years ago
Why the Lucky Stiff is brilliant, so much so he is completely strange. But you can see the brilliance a mile away. His Ruby comics were technically brilliant and artistically brilliant at the same time, and they did both <i>effortlessly</i>.<p>When someone blows you away with real ability, and does it while juggling apples and telling dirty jokes, without breaking a sweat, it (rightfully so) makes an impression.<p>Plus, BACON!
timcedermanabout 12 years ago
Did anyone else try going to the YouTube video?<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShpcjWG_Me0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShpcjWG_Me0</a>
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pmrosabout 12 years ago
_why somewhat reminds me of David Foster Wallace.
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Tranoabout 12 years ago
For anyone who missed this yesterday like I did, _why's site was updated yesterday but is now back offline.<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5571387" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5571387</a> shows the progress of figuring out what was happening.<p>Basically he was sending out print commands to print the book that is linked here.
startswithajabout 12 years ago
Is the oprah thing he refers to real?
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KVFinnabout 12 years ago
In the original, pages were individually titled. The title was often quite relevant.<p>Can you add that to the top or bottom of each page?
pathdependentabout 12 years ago
This was a great experience. It felt like a modern take on <i>Principia Discordia</i>. Thanks, _why.
tetsuo_shimaabout 12 years ago
It may be my own feelings and so forth, but I vote that comments are disabled on this network.<p>It's getting way out of control, quality of the network exponentially deteriorating, and far too much blatant disrespect without regard, perpetuating the same cycles of melancholia for any of those individuals who are genuinely interested in understanding.<p>For those who feel the need to be correct, the need to correct, the need to justify, the need to express their own opinions on behalf of the though of an other, for those who have yet to understand that they as themselves are not the constitution of thought of all of those who are an other independent of the self, for those who simply cannot simply recognize any/all realizations, for those who require conclusions, for those who wish to change the order of the world, for those who cannot be bothered with interaction that may oppose their own desire, etc., please leave this network. Please. I beg of you to leave. I beg of you to leave and return when you've lost the ability to use express your opinion in the forefront of others, when you've come to understand that every interact between your self and an other affects the experience and understanding of others, when you've come to understand, when you've learned to listen, when you've learned to reason, when you've learned your own language, when you've learned your own self, and finally, when you've learned an other relatively independent of others in relation to your selves.<p>The amount of hatred in the world is enough to drive anyone insane, why bring it to a network full of though-thirsty individuals who simply wish to share other understands?<p>I may be delusional in my expression of cordiality, though I only wish that this madness stops.<p>Why I have even bothered to make an account to share my own realization? The network is unique in its own right, and very difficult to find such a large group of like-minds. The more I visit, the further such ideals deviate from the truth, and it's disturbing. Quite a lot of this is clearly addressed in _why's seemingly random queue, but that's not the point. The point is [TL;DR;DC;WC;] Your opinions are going to change. If they don't, you're likely cheating yourself, and respectively others. Please find it in your minds to enjoy the thought of one another.<p>----<p>For those of you on your high-horse of supreme divinity and fortitude, I sincerely hope you come find your self humbled by your self.<p>Kind regards, &#60;Let's pretend it matters&#62;
gcrabout 12 years ago
Does anyone know what was up with the paypal link a few commits back?
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dhotsonabout 12 years ago
Welcome back _why. I had a feeling we'd see you again. :-)
MrBraabout 12 years ago
someone with free time, and will and/or passion or interest for languages please translate it to other popular languages please
moeedmabout 12 years ago
He's the Daft Punk of the Ruby world.
kunaiabout 12 years ago
_why's site 404'd just now.<p>I hope he's okay.
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paxabout 12 years ago
still no rapgenius version :/<p>is there anywhere any explanatory review of this?