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Why People Don't Like Nerds or Programmers (In School)

85 pointsby inglorianabout 16 years ago

25 comments

derefrabout 16 years ago
&#62; Cheerleader come over and ask about programming? Shot down. Invitation to a study group? Rejected. The most bitingly ironic comes when a person in a group of nerds gets an invitation to a party. If you’re one of the more social people in your scene, try it. Invite an anime person or a programmer - one of those people - out to an event. Chances are you’ll be declined. There’s every possibility you’ll be rejected impolitely.<p>I agree completely that nerds do this. I did this. But I never did it to be "elite", or to keep the other person "below" me. Instead, I always assumed that the cheerleader (or whomever it was) was playing a very nasty practical joke on me—that if I accepted, they'd laugh in my face and wander away, or worse, I'd show up at the party to find myself a scapegoat for some random act of civil unrest previously committed that night by the partygoers. And yes, I even made friends only with other nerds—but only because I could tell, by the fear they showed toward the other groups, that they were a prey, not a predator, species, and were thus unlikely to harm me if I associated with them.<p>(If you can't tell, I was bullied for my entire elementary school life before entering high-school; I imagine I would have had quite a different outlook otherwise. Thankfully, by grade 11 or so, the concept of "clique" had dissolved in my high-school, so I did get to discover what a mentally-healthy high-school experience was like.)
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quoderatabout 16 years ago
This writer is really clueless as to what high school is like for those on the bottom of the heap -- I mean, really, no idea at all.<p>For that reason, it's hard to listen to what else he has to say, no matter how relevant or (potentially) awesome.<p>Obvious that he's never been the low end of the totem pole. It may be different now, but when I was in high school, geeks and nerds got shit on by every group -- the jocks, the actors and actresses. Everyone.
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noonespecialabout 16 years ago
Many good points but missing one important observation. The cliques in school are hierarchical in nature. All groups may be exclusive toward other members but a band geek cannot make a jock's life miserable as a pastime. Members of each clique can torment those in the "lower castes" with virtually no social cost for those actions. For fun, to fit in, because daddy never hugged them, whatever.<p>The Nerds and programmers almost always find themselves on the bottom. Things look different when you're a Dalit.
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rueabout 16 years ago
Americans have a fundamentally different relationship with their High School days from anyone else. Popular culture certainly is not helping shed the obsession, the sense that High School is the defining time in one's life[1].<p>Somehow it seems that all these stories tie into that theme: the expectations, the sense that one must live their High School role thenceforth, the contemporary judgments made based on factors from High School and so on.<p>[1] Adolescence is obviously formative just like anything else; I trust you can make the distinction.
mmillerabout 16 years ago
I think he makes a good point in that nerds tend to exclude themselves, but I think it's a defense mechanism from being rejected. Believe me, when I was in jr. high and high school (more than 20 years ago, now) I wanted to "join the crowd" badly. I wasn't allowed in, and I felt awkward every time I tried to join in. I just didn't fit the social milieu. I didn't feel the need to exclude others (there's a difference between this and excluding yourself). If someone else wanted to be my friend I gladly accepted them. So I don't get this whole thing about how "nerds exclude everyone else." That wasn't my experience.
shalmaneseabout 16 years ago
There's something ironic about a post on nerds being deliberately exclusionary which redirects IE browsers to a Safari download link.
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andreyfabout 16 years ago
I don't get it. I went to a public school, and it was nothing like this - sure, we had our little tribes, and our little dramas, but most people belonged to several of them - I took lots of business and marketing classes <i>and</i> was a programmer nerd. Many other programmer nerds were actors, in marching band, and in the choir. The class president and swim team captain took AP CompSci, wasn't too bad of a programmer himself, and an exceptionally nice guy, to absolutely everyone. Sure, there were dicks, but who cares about them?
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yefabout 16 years ago
I'm frustrated that the #2 link on Hacker News right now is a rambling rehash of How To Win Friends and Influence People, the first book listed here: <a href="http://ycombinator.com/lib.html" rel="nofollow">http://ycombinator.com/lib.html</a>
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jmtameabout 16 years ago
What makes a great writer? Someone who understands both angles, someone who has been both popular and a nerd. See Paul Graham's Why Nerds Are Unpopular, which was the first essay I ever read of Paul's in high school as a sophomore and that got me hooked on reading the rest of his: <a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html</a>
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ighostabout 16 years ago
He makes a few decent points, but it really doesn't seem like he understands nerds or complex social interactions between different personality types very well.
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Dalzielabout 16 years ago
I'm sorry that's complete BS. Yes there are arrogant nerds and especially more on the internet where the 'geeky' have held sway for longer. But the simple fact is that as noonespecial pointed out, the sporty 'popular' will be more confident in a group of nerds than the other way around because there is no risk for them. The nerds can't make their day-to-day life in school a living hell.
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strlenabout 16 years ago
This is rambling and seems to be entirely empirically false. On top of it makes a vice out of "nerdiness" and a virtue of "coolness" ("uncool asshole") without any sort of argument to back it.
endlessvoid94about 16 years ago
Most (not all) of the responses here seem to absolutely confirm this essay's main points.<p>The posters here generally are taking some kind of offense to this, and feel the need to shoot it full of holes. In the meantime, this behavior is only reinforcing the point to anyone who happens to not be a programmer.<p>It's actually quite striking.
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illustradenabout 16 years ago
One time, this guy at my school made it to Hollywood in American Idol and the school paper did a bit on that and a friend at that time became irate. Like, RAGING, throwing things against the wall. He said he did cooler things in programming-he had hurricane coding skills. As opposed to something as utterly inane as American Idol and nobody wrote an article on him. After graduating, I make it a point to avoid people like that. I'm completely traumatized from being surrounded by those people every day for 4 years. My friends now don't know what the heck i'm talking about when something triggers those memories and I marvel about how obnoxious those people were. Then she sent me this article, and she asked me, you mean like this? And I said YES!
gne1963about 16 years ago
If you guys have never seen the Dilbert cartoon "The Knack", have a look... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw</a> It will lighten your mood after reading this post...
tutwabeeabout 16 years ago
"The response that I try to lob into these discussions, reduced to its crudest form, is: Mark Zuckerberg is the CEO of one of the largest web sites on the planet, and his web site is beautiful, and it brings joy to a lot of people, so apparently being a good programmer isn’t what makes you design beautiful things that make people happy, in which case being a good programmer sounds like a fucking waste."<p>Mark Zuckerberg is the CEO of Facebook. His coding abilities cannot be judged unless it is known how much of the Facebook code he actually wrote. I assume the majority of it was not written by him.
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sachmanbabout 16 years ago
seems as if he has a problem with introverts
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mikedouglasabout 16 years ago
Ugh, typography on that page is a mess. The title shadow is distracting, and the leading feels cramped.<p>Off topic, but please fix.
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noamsmlabout 16 years ago
Can't say this mirrors my experience of geeks at all, but then again, I went to a school where all cliques were extremely loose-knit and accepting (it was just part of the school culture).
ideamonkabout 16 years ago
I think his problem is with the people who label themselves as nerds and programmers. The author should go by a person's _work_ to decide how good one is. Not by the air, debates and the talks!
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chanuxabout 16 years ago
Hehe the guy missed the point. It's those nerds &#38; programmers who made the world for him (people like him) to do their cheesy things on top of.
volidaabout 16 years ago
"you need to be smart in order to be a part of the group"<p>This is a wrong assumption, because there are people who are smart but are not (computer) nerds.
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jgoosdhabout 16 years ago
what a sad, angry little man...
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rbanffyabout 16 years ago
"Cheerleader come over and ask about programming? Shot down"<p>In what planet did you grow up?
jodrellblankabout 16 years ago
<i>When you go online and want to learn programming, you run into the uncool assholes. The ones who’ll take "How to I make a web site that people can join" not as an admission of some guy who doesn’t care about the details but as a sign of weakness. I’ve seen responses to that question that range from "You obviously aren’t ready" to "It depends on how you want the site to scale." What bullshit!</i><p>No no no. That's me, but it's not because of anything to do with spotting "a sign of weakness".<p>Let me try to use a non-car analogy: Imagine I'm a carpenter (I'm not) and you come up to me and ask "how do I build a staircase?". The kinds of thoughts going through my head might be:<p>1) A staircase is obviously wood, cut to shape, then fixed together. It's also obviously quite a big thing. There's no need to answer with the low level "obvious" things like "you will need a large workshop", if you want to build a staircase you probably already have woodworking tools and experience and now want a bigger project, so an answer telling you basic outline steps would be insultingly patronising and unhelpful.<p>Also, an answer covering enough steps from scratch would take far too long for a forum post or discussion reply, so if I make the judgement that you don't have any of the experience and haven't considered it <i>at all</i> then you might get a dismissive "with a lot of work" reply.<p>(OK, maybe if we met informally and you asked, you might be just making conversation, but nobody goes to a technical forum and asks how to build a website just to make friends, do they, so that doesn't apply).<p>2) On the other hand, if you have spotted the obvious then you're asking one question but meaning another - maybe what kind of wood can I use to make it look nice, what building regs must it comply to, how can I reinforce it, what fireproofing treatments work well? What styles of bannister were popular in Victorian times?<p>There could be a lot of fun stuff, but again too many directions to go in all in one answer - this is where you get the "it depends what style you want" answer. It's not <i>bullshit</i>, it's better than that, it's skipping straight to acknowledgement, acceptance and directed at whichever obstacle or major design consideration comes to mind first.<p>So, "how do you build a website that people can join" leads me to think something like:<p>A website people can join means giving them a form to fill in, keeping their details, and providing a login prompt later. This is obvious to anyone who has used a couple of websites with signup forms.<p>So either you understand the steps of a site you can signup to and would have Googled until you found out more about those steps and asked a more specific question (What's HTML? What's a webhost? What happens to information in a form once I click submit? How can I keep it around?), or you're really asking for design and obstacle avoidance suggestions, e.g. scaling, security, server load, etc.<p>Hence the replies: You haven't Googled for the basics, that suggests you aren't ready for the amount of work involved, or you aren't really asking such a basic question so you don't get a basic answer.
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