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Snowden banned from flying to UK

76 pointsby yenohamalmost 12 years ago

14 comments

DanBCalmost 12 years ago
Why on earth would he want to come to the UK?<p>It&#x27;s [edit] certainly not the place to be if you want privacy.<p>RIPA (regulation of investigatory powers act) has been abused by local council staff spying on public to see if they live within a school catchment area or within an area qualifying for cheap parking. There are other abuses too.<p>We&#x27;re bringing in a &quot;snooper&#x27;s charter&quot; - this is just traffic data and not content of calls, but still, it&#x27;s pretty unpleasant.<p>We had &#x2F; have &quot;Phorm&quot; - deep packet inspection of customer internet traffic in order to serve ads.<p>The idea of national ID cards had a small number of opponents, but was mostly met with &quot;meh&quot;. The thing that actually killed it was the cost to the individual. I&#x27;m sure that if they had kept the cost to £30 per person we&#x27;d all have ID cards today.<p>In theory GCHQ have strict regulatory oversight. I do know people who work for GCHQ. I never talk to them about work, and they never talk to me about work, but they do say that regulatory oversight is real and true.<p>But we don&#x27;t have the US concept of &quot;fruit of the poisoned tree&quot; - in the US a wiretap needs a court order, and without that any evidence gained cannot be used in court. That forces cops to actually get the court order, or risk losing cases. In the UK we allow spies to gather this stuff, and police to take action on it, but we don&#x27;t want it used in court because then it&#x27;s a matter of public record and thus subject to scrutiny and we leak information about capabilities. I see the benefit in both approaches, but I can appreciate that some people would be horrified with the English approach.<p>We were complicit in torture of innocent, untried, uncharged, soldiers &#x2F; terrorists &#x2F; combatants.<p>We have detention without charge (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk&#x2F;human-rights&#x2F;terrorism&#x2F;detention-without-charge&#x2F;index.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk&#x2F;human-rights&#x2F;terroris...</a>).<p>The UK has about 1% of the world population, but about 20% of the installed CCTV base.<p>Cheshire has a population of 700,000 people (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cheshire" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cheshire</a>) but has over 12,000 CCTV cameras, of which about 500 - 600 are run by public authorities.<p>(<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.guardian.co.uk&#x2F;uk&#x2F;2011&#x2F;mar&#x2F;02&#x2F;cctv-cameras-watching-surveillance" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.guardian.co.uk&#x2F;uk&#x2F;2011&#x2F;mar&#x2F;02&#x2F;cctv-cameras-watchi...</a>)<p>We happily ship people to the US under our unbalanced extradition treaty.<p>tl;dr: He&#x27;d be nuts to want to come here.<p>{EDIT: <i>Strikethrough</i> [a horrible place to live, and] <i>in response to people below</i>}
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krytenalmost 12 years ago
He&#x27;ll be fine if he can get to the Ecuadorian Embassy quick enough :)<p>I live in the UK and am utterly disgusted at the pieces of shit that act in our name.<p>You can&#x27;t vote them out as it&#x27;s a bipartisan system with two sets of the same ideals.<p>You can&#x27;t revolt because everyone is too busy staring at Simon Cowel&#x27;s nefarious trash pumped through our telescreens.<p>You can&#x27;t speak up because it&#x27;s illegal.<p>Sit, obey, conform.
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ck2almost 12 years ago
<i>the notice was not supposed to be seen by the public</i><p>I am starting to think the people on the other side of &quot;the public doesn&#x27;t need to know&quot; enjoy their little fantasy world a little too much.
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buro9almost 12 years ago
He&#x27;d be foolish to come to the UK anyway, we&#x27;d extradite him before he&#x27;d left the airport.
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josscrowcroftalmost 12 years ago
<i>&quot;There is no suggestion that he has any intention to try to travel to the UK.&quot;</i><p>Says it all really. Don&#x27;t waste your time reading this hypey article.
hackerboosalmost 12 years ago
Surely Snowden knows that there isn&#x27;t safe harbour in the UK after what happened to Assange?
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juntoalmost 12 years ago
I imagine that Snowden is well aware of the UK&#x27;s &#x27;poodle&#x27; relationship.
xutopiaalmost 12 years ago
This is known as the highest honour you can get just above knighthood.
jimmithyalmost 12 years ago
Could this not be them acting in his best interests? Giving a warning that they will be unable to help him while still looking strong to the Americans?
thehmealmost 12 years ago
I hope Edward Snowden is well wherever he goes, even if the UK, but according to &quot;news&quot; reports, he was making a lot of money, so he is probably in a beach somewhere. In any case, hopefully bring the NSA problem to the public eye will encourage the world to be more private and to demand privacy from their govs.
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alxbrunalmost 12 years ago
As always, the UK merely acts as a vassal to the US.
MRSalleealmost 12 years ago
Remember when radio host Michael Savage was banned from the UK? I get the feeling it&#x27;s not hard to get banned from the country.
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eliasmacphersonalmost 12 years ago
At one time America was England&#x27;s colony, fancy that.
wilfraalmost 12 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure if this is a clever or pathetic attempt to try and manipulate the courts in HK, but that&#x27;s pretty clearly what it is. They are a former English colony, whose courts are based on English law and who presumably hold the opinions of England in very high regard.