TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

Ask HN: Advice on finding a junior developer position

12 pointsby JDSDalmost 12 years ago
As the title states, I&#x27;m looking for some advice or constructive criticism on my work in order to find a junior developer position. I&#x27;m having quite a bit of trouble getting any response back from anyone. Maybe I should be gathering funds to pay for one of these &quot;developer bootcamps&quot;, although I don&#x27;t like that idea.<p>My inquiries usually go as follows, and may be a bit too honest:<p>I did not go to school for CS, and don&#x27;t have a degree. I would like to relocate and I&#x27;m not really looking to work remotely as I would like the experience working around more seasoned developers.<p>I worked in automotive and roofing before rupturing a disk, and wasted no time getting into web development and all things related. I know what hard work is.<p>github: http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.github.com&#x2F;jamesdullaghan homepage&#x2F;portfolio(code can be found in online-portfolio in github): http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jamesdullaghan.me Latest project(prototype that hasn&#x27;t released yet, hence screenshots): http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jamesdullaghan.me&#x2F;articles&#x2F;5<p>This isn&#x27;t a pitch to find work for myself, more what can I do to increase my odds in finding a junior level developer position. I&#x27;d also love some objective criticism. Maybe some direction.<p>It is much appreciated.

4 comments

laughfactoryalmost 12 years ago
Hi JDSD,<p>I appreciate your candor and motivation to switch gears and go in a new direction. I have some suggestions I&#x27;ll share. They&#x27;re just my two cents, so take them for whatever they&#x27;re worth to you.<p>First of all, I agree that your inquiries are probably too honest... Or, perhaps, don&#x27;t really paint you in very good light. It&#x27;s not necessarily about lying, as much as it is about recognizing that some information without crucial context can be misleading. I suspect your inquiries--as you&#x27;ve described them--are doing just that.<p>There&#x27;s lots of good material in your inquiry, I&#x27;d just reword it a bit. Rather than starting off by with the fact that you didn&#x27;t go to school for CS and don&#x27;t have a degree, start off with the good news. Get them interested. Get them on your side. Then acknowledge some negatives. So start off talking about the projects you&#x27;ve worked on, the languages, frameworks, concepts, etc. that you know. Share your github account. Stress all the value that you bring to the table. Then segue into talking about how &quot;I don&#x27;t have a degree in CS, and in fact don&#x27;t have a degree at all; However, this isn&#x27;t a bad thing. In my case it means that I have a diverse array of experiences that prove useful for stepping outside the box and discovering unique innovative solutions to challenging problems.&quot; This wording frames your situation in a positive light, rather than a negative light.<p>I also wouldn&#x27;t mention your background in roofing and automotive. It makes you sound blue-collar through and through, and conceptually is difficult to overcome when a hiring manager is considering who to bring in for interviews. And I wouldn&#x27;t mention your ruptured disk since it makes you sound like a potentially expensive employee to insure. You can express your willingness and desire to work hard and your enthusiasm for development, but be careful about what you share about your past. I know what this is like because when I was going through college I worked part-time in a skilled labor job at a private terminal at the airport. Explaining that past employment to a hiring manager at a bank was tricky. I had to show them how--even though it didn&#x27;t seem relevant at first--my experience over five years at the airport actually <i>was</i> an asset. I did this by abstracting from the day-to-day and talking about how my position at the airport developed my character (etc.).<p>Lastly, relocation. This is a really tricky one. Truth be told, in my opinion, the only out-of-town developers who will be contacted by recruiters and hiring managers are those who are at minimum seasoned mid-level developers. Junior developers--even with experience--aren&#x27;t likely to get many call-backs if they&#x27;re approaching employers who are in another city or state. The sad truth of employment is that you&#x27;ve <i>got</i> to be local. And this means that you&#x27;re going to have a take a leap of faith. Pick a city with tons of software jobs and move there. Just being there and showing that you&#x27;re credible is probably the single most crucial factor. If you want to work in banking, move to a finance hub. Likewise, since you want to be a junior developer (I hear you, that&#x27;s my goal, too), move to a city with tons of developer opportunities: San Francisco (and the surrounding area), Los Angeles, Seattle, Austin, New York City, Salt Lake City, Dallas, Houston...etc. If you do searches for &quot;javascript&quot; on Indeed.com, the number of results will give you a good (if rough) idea of how much demand their is for developers in a given area.<p>But yeah, being there is critical. This is why my wife and I and our daughter will be moving to Austin this fall--so I can look for work as a junior developer. Simply saying that you&#x27;ll move is much different than actually doing it, and employers know this. They&#x27;d rather not waste their energy (from their perspective) on possibilities that might not pan out. At least if you&#x27;re &quot;in-town&quot; then that&#x27;s one less barrier to getting you in the door. And while remote working is more and more common, it&#x27;s still less common than working face-to-face in an office, so I&#x27;d probably drop that aspect of your inquiry and just focus on how motivated you are as a junior developer candidate.<p>Best of luck! I hope my advice was helpful. And if you find yourself in Austin, hit me up and we&#x27;ll grab a beer or something.
评论 #5883755 未加载
voidlogicalmost 12 years ago
I don&#x27;t mean to be negative, but a few thoughts:<p>&gt;I did not go to school for CS, and don&#x27;t have a degree.<p>Where do you want to live&#x2F;work? Depending on where you want to work this may be more permissible or less. In the valley if you have a good rep and past projects this will matter less, but in many places in the US this is actually a non-starter. If you love programming have you considered that working (even part-time) towards a B-S in CS might be worthwhile?<p>&gt;before rupturing a disk<p>I&#x27;d advise just saying an injury. This is a little bit a case of too much information, esp. for a perspective employer.<p>&gt;github:....<p>Everything I see is Ruby. This is fine, people often have a primary language, but you should pick another language, very different kind of language, and write a project in it. This shows people you are flexible and are the kind of professional learner who can re-tool quickly. I&#x27;d suggest considering C,C++,Go,Java,Scala or Haskell.
noahcalmost 12 years ago
I.....I....I&#x27;m....I.....<p>I...I....<p>And that&#x27;s your problem. Not a single thing about them. It should read something like this...<p><i>I noticed you&#x27;ve been working on innovating in X industry, and I&#x27;ve noticed recently that many folks are moving in X direction. Are you planning on moving in this direction to?<p>I&#x27;ve recently done a, b, and c. By leveraging b and c, I can help you achieve X. a is note worthy because, while not directly related to x, it shows I have skill f.<p>I&#x27;m looking for jr developer positions that allow me to grow, and projects a, b, and c will help you achieve x (faster, better, more completely, etc)....</i><p>Your pitches need to be about how you can help them and less about you. I&#x27;ve sent emails that basically said, &quot;Your industry is heading in x direction, here&#x27;s what I think about that. Oh, by the way I&#x27;m at least good enough to do fizz buzz&quot; and gotten fairly positive responses out of that.
评论 #5883853 未加载
kevandoalmost 12 years ago
1) Your message is a bit confusing. Not sure if you&#x27;re a developer or designer.<p>2) If I&#x27;m thinking like a hiring manager or founder, it would be a huge risk (for both of us) to relocate someone inexperienced. Remove that part and I bet your response rate doubles.
评论 #5883625 未加载