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255 pointsby bencevansalmost 12 years ago

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ryanSrichalmost 12 years ago
Eh. They can keep it.<p>• Average engineering salary in sf: 116K &#x2F; year [1]<p>• Average rent for a one bedroom: $2,700 &#x2F; month [2]<p>After taxes you&#x27;re coming in around 72k &#x2F; year - 32k &#x2F; year for rent<p>You&#x27;ll have roughly 40k to play with. That may sound like a lot but factor in food, health care, travel, energy, internet, phone, and numerous miscellaneous expenses and you&#x27;ll be hard pressed to save anything over 10k a year. For me it would never work having 2k per month in student loans.<p>Also compare that to a place like D.C.<p>• Average engineering salary in D.C. : 105k &#x2F; year [3]<p>• Average rent for a one bedroom: $1,392 &#x2F; month [4]<p>After taxes you&#x27;ll have around 68k &#x2F; year - 17k &#x2F; year for rent<p>That&#x27;s 51,000 per year. About 11k more per year and a place that is significantly less expensive to live in. That can really make a difference and you may miss out on being in sf but you&#x27;re in a large city with a healthy tech environment none the less.<p>1.) <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indeed.com&#x2F;salary&#x2F;q-Software-Engineer-l-San-Francisco,-CA.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indeed.com&#x2F;salary&#x2F;q-Software-Engineer-l-San-Franc...</a><p>2.)<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sfist.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;03&#x2F;07&#x2F;map_average_rent_for_1br_in_san_fra.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sfist.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;03&#x2F;07&#x2F;map_average_rent_for_1br_in_san_...</a><p>3.) <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indeed.com&#x2F;salary?q1=Software+Engineer&amp;l1=Washington+DC" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indeed.com&#x2F;salary?q1=Software+Engineer&amp;l1=Washing...</a><p>4.) <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apartmentratings.com&#x2F;rate?a=MSAAvgRentalPrice&amp;msa=8872" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apartmentratings.com&#x2F;rate?a=MSAAvgRentalPrice&amp;msa...</a>
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ladon86almost 12 years ago
What a sweet and good-natured write-up. It&#x27;s not cynical, and you can feel a positive outlook on life and people throughout. It&#x27;s an outlook that&#x27;s probably very helpful in being productive and happy generally.
bifrostalmost 12 years ago
&gt; The coffee is very different than the Italian one<p>I&#x27;ve heard this many times :)<p>His point about SF lacking children is very very accurate. SF basically forces people with families out because its so expensive and the school situation is bad (your kids don&#x27;t get to go to the neighborhood school). One of these days SF will wise up and at least fix the school problem, but until then the peninsula will get families and SF will get DINKs.
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pfarrellalmost 12 years ago
I moved to the Bay Area, with my family, 8 months ago. We tried to make SF work (and did live in temporary housing in SOMA for three months), but SF is not a place for young children (unless you are beyond financial constraints). I commute to SOMA every day from Rockridge. Rockridge is nice, except for Oakland&#x27;s inability to provide an adequately sized police force!<p>All the tech things antirez outlined are true, but the reality is, it took some commitment and blind faith to move out with a family and no friends or contacts. Its like moving to another country :). There is more of everything in SF (bay area really), success and destitution, beauty and ugliness, brilliant people and charlatans, opportunity and desperation. I&#x27;m loving it, but it&#x27;s a balancing act.
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jechenalmost 12 years ago
On one hand, you have people earning six figures fighting for the dwindling, ever inflated supply of conventional housing options, and on the other, you have people like Nadia Eghbal who display the utmost resourcefulness and manage to live in SF for $20k a year (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;helloimnadia.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;52242701025&#x2F;how-to-live-in-san-francisco-on" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;helloimnadia.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;52242701025&#x2F;how-to-live-in-san-...</a>). Really goes back to what pg says about being relentlessly resourceful.<p>In the end, if you really want to get settled in SF, all it takes is some persistence and a healthy network. (I moved here when I knew next to no one and managed to find home at a coliving space called Startuphouse for most of last year; not only was my stay free but it gave me a fantastic network on which to jumpstart life here.)
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physcabalmost 12 years ago
San Francisco truly is a wonderful city, all things considered. I&#x27;m currently traveling throughout Europe and while I&#x27;m having a blast seeing how another portion of the world lives, I&#x27;m more thankful than ever I can call my home SF. It has temperate weather, is relatively clean, Napa, Stinson Beach, and Pt Reyes to the North, Pacifica, Santa Cruz, Monterey to the South. Tahoe for skiing and summer fun is 4 hours away. And if you are craving more warmth, just have to cross over a bridge or two. There are awesome dog parks complete with doggie ice cream. There are endless amazing restaurants. There are enough singles to keep your dating life occupied for months. And there are fun festivals nearly every weekend. Every neighborhood has something different and unique to offer if you keep an open mind. I&#x27;ve also found that people are incredibly family oriented, not because they have families of their own, but because their families live 20-30 minutes away. You also experience different cultures and homelessness -- something which many people go to great lengths to hide. But IMO it keeps the city grounded and humble. Yes, SF is expensive. It has cost overruns and mismanagement. But I have yet to meet people (in person) who seriously dislike where they live.
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charlieparkalmost 12 years ago
Is it a common experience that, as a single person in SF, you&#x27;d make $100K and end the year without any money saved? I&#x27;m not asking with any judgment or critique implied. I&#x27;m genuinely curious if that&#x27;s normal in SF.
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bretpiattalmost 12 years ago
Salvatore, the author, is the lead developer on redis, very interesting perspective on a visit to SF from Europe for a person that is globally connected.<p>He met up with a good crowd one night: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meetup.com&#x2F;San-Francisco-Redis-Meetup&#x2F;events&#x2F;123141892&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meetup.com&#x2F;San-Francisco-Redis-Meetup&#x2F;events&#x2F;1231...</a>
bhermsalmost 12 years ago
Very happy he enjoyed the city! Next time he&#x27;s in town, I&#x27;ll be sure I&#x27;m following his twitter to remain informed. I&#x27;d love to buy him a drink.<p>While there is a lot of crappiness in the city, it really is a melting pot (not as much as 10-20 years ago of course) of motivated, friendly people.
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danmaz74almost 12 years ago
&quot;UK people are especially hard for me to understand, and I guess the opposite is also true. Fixing the language if you don&#x27;t practice it is either impossible or requires a lot of time, probably I&#x27;ll star to travel more.&quot;<p>One very enjoyable way to improve at least understanding spoken English is to watch movies and (if you like that) tv shows. BTW, I agree that UK pronunciationS are much more difficult to understand (I wonder if that&#x27;s only true for Italians, or for other foreigners too).
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austinzalmost 12 years ago
I was reading up on Catania (the city from which he hails) and it looks like a beautiful place - very different from SF, but still having a large number of tech companies.
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lelandbateyalmost 12 years ago
I quite like the writing style, and I&#x27;m thankful that the author took the time to write this all down!<p>Hopefully this isn&#x27;t taken as offensive, but I wanted to read this in a less <i>plain-text</i> way, so I&#x27;ve mirrored the article here with full attribution: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;xwl.me&#x2F;md&#x2F;3o6oo6u52127g68" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;xwl.me&#x2F;md&#x2F;3o6oo6u52127g68</a><p>It&#x27;s just a bit easier on my eyes, I hope that&#x27;s alright.
wallioalmost 12 years ago
It is very hard to not love this guy.
Yhippaalmost 12 years ago
This story reminds me of my most &quot;San Franciscan&quot; experience. I was lucky enough to spend a weekend at Mark Hopkins InterContinental and pretty much the entire time there were protesters yelling things (peacefully of course). One of which was: &quot;Mark Hopkins, you&#x27;re no good; treat your workers like you should&quot;. I went down and talked to the guys and got to hear their side of the story (fighting for minimum wage concessions for the workers there).<p>What a cool city to be a geek in. Where else can you see more billboards for web browsers and video games than you can for lawyers and liposuction?
swangalmost 12 years ago
First I am glad this is not another post about how many homeless people he saw and how he cannot believe it and how people in SF should fix these problems.<p>Thinking of the areas the author was around (Nob Hill, SOMA, FiDi) he is probably not going to see many families. You&#x27;ll definitely see way more strollers and kids if you head south to Noe Valley or head north to Pac Heights.
corfordalmost 12 years ago
Just out of curiosity... I assume the waiters, waitresses, receptionists, taxi drivers etc. of San Francisco are not all on $70K+ salaries? And if the answer to that is yes, how do they manage to make it work? Either there&#x27;s a lot of #firstworlproblem esque moaning going on in this thread or taxi drivers in SanFran are the best paid cabbies in the world.
jamesjguthriealmost 12 years ago
I enjoyed reading this as I&#x27;m planning on visiting CA next summer with my wife and son. I wanted to look at Palo Alto etc and consider emigrating there. If he and the other commenters on this thread are right and the schools suck, there&#x27;s not a lot of families and the cost of living is really <i>that</i> high, it probably won&#x27;t be a good idea.
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VeejayRampayalmost 12 years ago
British people are really hard to understand. The way they make whole syllables disappear is nothing short of black magic.
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ef4almost 12 years ago
Regarding the hotel gym: the most likely reason you couldn&#x27;t find any free weights is America&#x27;s penchant for lawsuits. The hotel&#x27;s lawyers and&#x2F;or insurance company probably insists on less &quot;dangerous&quot; fitness equipment.
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meeritaalmost 12 years ago
I want a SF job but work remotely from Barcelona. I&#x27;m willing to travel 1 a month :). I know the pains of work and live there, it looks amazing but all my friends told me the same: it feels artificial.<p>I like Europe, with their pro&#x2F;cons.
codex_irlalmost 12 years ago
I love the bay area, nothing else to say.
corresationalmost 12 years ago
Enjoyable read, however the notes about the hotel gym were a bit strange to me. I may have a insufficient sample set, however I&#x27;ve never seen free weights in a hotel gym, beyond a couple of low weight dumbbells. Certainly no one doing <i>deadlifts</i>, and I can&#x27;t imagine a hotel dealing with that.
stefantalpalarualmost 12 years ago
Sounds like a guided tour with no real exploration of the city.
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spitxalmost 12 years ago
kryten:<p><i>Sounds like London, UK where I currently reside with three children...</i><p>Does your experience of life in London in recent years (since around late nineties) reflect that of this writer? I think this is one of the few writers (on the topic) I&#x27;ve found balanced and non-alarmist. That&#x27;s the reason I&#x27;ve used her piece to moot a point that has been posited by many others in a more judgmental and accusative tone. So I ask, is this what London increasingly feels like for secular, middle-income families and individuals?<p><pre><code> &quot;Of the 8.17 million people in London, one million are Muslim, with the majority of them young families. That is not, in reality, a great number. But because so many Muslims increasingly insist on emphasising their separateness, it feels as if they have taken over; my female neighbours flap past in full niqab, some so heavily veiled that I can’t see their eyes. I’ve made an effort to communicate by smiling deliberately at the ones I thought I was seeing out and about regularly, but this didn’t lead to conversation because they never look me in the face. I recently went to the plainly named “Curtain Shop” and asked if they would put some up for me. Inside were a lot of elderly Muslim men. I was told that they don’t do that kind of work, and was back on the pavement within a few moments. I felt sure I had suffered discrimination and was bewildered as I had been there previously when the Muslim owners had been very friendly. Things have changed. I am living in a place where I am a stranger. I was brought up in a village in Staffordshire, and although I have been in London for a quarter of a century I have kept the habit of chatting to shopkeepers and neighbours, despite it not being the done thing in metropolitan life. Nowadays, though, most of the tills in my local shops are manned by young Muslim men who mutter into their mobiles as they are serving. They have no interest in talking to me and rarely meet my gaze. I find this situation dismal. I miss banter, the hail fellow, well met chat about the weather, or what was on TV last night.&quot; &quot;In the Nineties, when I arrived, this part of Acton was a traditional working-class area. Now there is no trace of any kind of community – that word so cherished by the Left. Instead it has been transformed into a giant transit camp and is home to no one. The scale of immigration over recent years has created communities throughout London that never need to – or want to – interact with outsiders. It wasn’t always the case: since the 1890s thousands of Jewish, Irish, Afro-Caribbean, Asian and Chinese workers, among others, have arrived in the capital, often displacing the indigenous population. Yes, there was hateful overt racism and discrimination, I’m not denying that. But, over time, I believe we settled down into a happy mix of incorporation and shared aspiration, with disparate peoples walking the same pavements but returning to very different homes – something the Americans call “sundown segregation”. But now, despite the wishful thinking of multiculturalists, wilful segregation by immigrants is increasingly echoed by the white population – the rate of white flight from our cities is soaring. According to the Office for National Statistics, 600,000 white Britons have left London in the past 10 years. The latest census data shows the breakdown in telling detail: some London boroughs have lost a quarter of their population of white, British people. The number in Redbridge, north London, for example, has fallen by 40,844 (to 96,253) in this period, while the total population has risen by more than 40,335 to 278,970. It isn’t only London boroughs. The market town of Wokingham in Berkshire has lost nearly 5 per cent of its white British population. I suspect that many white people in London and the Home Counties now move house on the basis of ethnicity, especially if they have children. Estate agents don’t advertise this self-segregation, of course. Instead there are polite codes for that kind of thing, such as the mention of “a good school”, which I believe is code for “mainly white English”. Not surprising when you learn that nearly one million pupils do not have English as a first language. I, too, have decided to leave my area, following in the footsteps of so many of my neighbours. I don’t really want to go. I worked long and hard to get to London, to find a good job and buy a home and I’d like to stay here. But I’m a stranger on these streets and all the “good” areas, with safe streets, nice housing and pleasant cafés, are beyond my reach. I see London turning into a place almost exclusively for poor immigrants and the very rich. It’s sad that I am moving not for a positive reason, but to escape something. I wonder whether I’ll tell the truth, if I’m asked. I can’t pretend that I’m worried about local schools, so perhaps I’ll say it’s for the chance of a conversation over the garden fence. But really I no longer need an excuse: mass immigration is making reluctant racists of us all.&quot; </code></pre> Source:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uknews&#x2F;immigration&#x2F;9831912&#x2F;I-feel-like-a-stranger-where-I-live.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uknews&#x2F;immigration&#x2F;9831912&#x2F;I...</a><p>Edit: Cleanup
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