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Weddings Used To Be Sacred And Other Lessons About Internet Journalism

136 pointsby crapshoot101almost 12 years ago

23 comments

205guyalmost 12 years ago
A lot of people are judging the personalities involved, the event itself, and the media behavior, but few objective facts are revealed. More worrisome is that objective facts are seemingly being covered over with weasel words.<p>First off, I am not at all impressed how Mr. Parker shifts the blame onto the property owners and others. I did see some of the inflammatory comments on early stories where people assumed it was public land. But even as private land, its use is still restricted by regulations because it is in the coastal zone. Just because it is private land doesn&#x27;t mean owners and their renters can do anything they wan with it--thank goodness. California recognizes the fragility and ecological value of the coastal areas and regulates them. I don&#x27;t care whether he knew about that or not, he, his hired staff, and the owners he worked with are all to blame for not knowing and following regulations.<p>He also tries to dodge blame for the campground issues and the owners&#x27; responsibility, then get sympathy for being strong-armed by the owners into paying up or getting cancelled. All I can say is that he could afford the lawyers, and if you want grandiose, you have to deal with ALL of the issues. His failure to do that does not garner my sympathy.<p>I would also take issue with &quot;It was an homage to the natural environment,&quot; when he admitted the whole scenery and costumes were fake. In other words, it was quite literally the Hollywoodization of the natural environment, not an homage. What he fails to understand, ultimately, is that a an all-night costume party for 350+ people is not compatible with the natural environment--no matter how much he wants the reader to believe so or how much he has paid to make it so.<p>A lot of HN commenter also seem bowled over by all these words, and just because someone says they didn&#x27;t harm the redwoods, they believe him.<p>I&#x27;m holding out for a scientific assessment of the situation. I do know redwoods (and sequoia) have shallow roots and can be harmed by trampling. So, were the root areas (usually within a 20-30 ft radius) of the trees properly protected during the decoration and the event?<p>One of the first stories I saw about this had pictures of the fake walls right up to a tree. So, in the opinion of an arborist specialized in these trees, is that damaging or not?<p>Same for the trout and other riparian species. Are they present or is this potential habitat? Did the setup or the event or the dissasembly impact the streams or drainages? One original article said they diverted streams; was that accurate or not? Mr. Parkers explanations about different kinds of trout and what&#x27;s endangered or protected are not very clear--in fact they seem intentionally confusing. He does say that biologists inspected the streams and found no sedimentation. OK, what about immediately before the event (since decorations weren&#x27;t finished until the last minute) and after the event, and again during the tear-down.<p>I&#x27;m totally willing to believe the environmental damage was minimal. The campground had been recently repaved and bulldozed in places. The set-up crew was at least aware of environmental concerns, regulatory agencies were keeping watch, etc. And yes the media reaction was totally overblown, but doesn&#x27;t that go with the territory of being rich and somewhat famous, especially when pulling off high-profile events? But I&#x27;d still like to see the official report about the damage before believing this one-sided argument.
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anigbrowlalmost 12 years ago
That&#x27;s quite interesting and enlightening; although the lesson this case seems to be &#x27;beware of the company you keep&#x27; since he ended up getting the blame for the poor ecological stewardship and greed of the inn on whose land the event took place.<p>I&#x27;m struck by this quote: <i>Economically speaking, I profited handsomely from the destruction of the media as we knew it. The rest of the world did not make out so well, and society certainly got the worse end of the bargain. The decentralization of media got off to a promising start, but like so many other half-baked revolutions, it never fulfilled its early promise. In its present form, social media may be doing more harm than good.</i><p>I think this is rather true. Although there was stupid tabloid media long before social media came along, it&#x27;s increasingly become the norm on the internet. I know a little of how he feels as I spent years trumpeting the idea f public comments on newspaper articles and so on....and now I use Stylebot to hide them from me, because 99% of what&#x27;s written in news article comments is hideously stupid. Rather than elevating society, the internet and social media has basically digitized the mob and given everyone a megaphone.
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timtadhalmost 12 years ago
Make sure you read the end, it is the best part of the essay:<p>&#x27;&#x27;&#x27; The more we depend on social networks and other online services to share content with friends and family, the more we risk that our content inadvertently becomes public. The enforceability of intellectual property laws around user-generated content — our photos, videos, and other content — is one of the best protections we have. The media has, in many cases, chosen to broadly construe all content shared via these networks as “public” when in fact much of it is private, and the copyright on that private material belongs to the creator. Sharing photos on Facebook should no more constitute a public license to use those photos than sending them over email.<p>The ubiquitous license agreements and privacy policies that online services force their users to enter into should be scrutinized by the courts around the principle of adhesion, and if the courts are unwilling to reconsider the status quo then congress should intervene with legislation limiting the scope and enforceability of these agreements. We also need to be willing to consider that only Congress can prevent the abuse of governmental power that is used to coerce online services into to turning over data in a wholesale manner.<p>I am certain that social networks, technology companies, and telecommunications companies would prefer not to kowtow to governments around the world, but operating a service on the scale of Facebook or Google puts these companies in the crosshairs of governmental agencies of all kinds. Once a company has reached this scale, only governments pose a meaningful existential threat. It is therefore incumbent upon the legislature to craft appropriate boundaries that strike a balance between the valid needs of governmental authorities and the equally valid privacy demands of Internet users.<p>In the end, the lesson learned from my wedding was something much less obvious than the “parable of excess” that was claimed. Rather, the democratization of the media that I idealized in my youth when it was just a distant, blurry dream, suddenly seems much less worthy of idolatry now that it’s become a stark reality. The lesson for me, felt acutely over the past two weeks, ended up being a familiar moral to a familiar story: “Be careful what you wish for — you might just get it.” &#x27;&#x27;&#x27;
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mixmastamykalmost 12 years ago
Another example of why you should not trust anything you read or see on TV w&#x2F;o time and&#x2F;or corroborating evidence.<p>TL;DR:<p>Summary Points<p>- The wedding site was chosen because it had been previously developed, so there was no environmental impact. The site was not public property, it was a private, for-profit, campground, which was mostly paved in asphalt and or cleared of all foliage. Development only occurred in cleared dirt and asphalt areas.<p>- The natural environment was not harmed, despite widespread claims to the contrary. There was no harm done to redwood trees, other plants, or animals. There were no endangered species on or near the property.<p>- We were conscientious about protecting the environment, locating the site with the help of Save the Redwoods League and soliciting advice about how to avoid harming the redwood habitat.<p>- Hundreds of articles were written in the days following the wedding, yet only one reporter contacted us for comment. Most of the information contained in these articles was erroneous. No original reporting was done, no interviews were conducted, and no fact checking occurred.<p>- We voluntarily agreed to cover $1 million in penalties related to the Ventana’s lack of development permits and past violations. We also volunteered to contribute $1.5 million in charitable contributions serving the coastal region of the Monterey Peninsula.
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incongruityalmost 12 years ago
Wait, wait, one of the guys who was behind facebook and the creator of napster (both of which use the internet to profit from other people&#x27;s information or creative efforts) wants us to feel bad that something <i>he</i> held sacred was violated on the internet?<p>Um, what?
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resu_nimdaalmost 12 years ago
For the most part, I agree with him, he was essentially violated by a sensationalist online media that spews cut-and-paste drama with absolutely no due diligence (&quot;viral&quot; is particularly evocative here).<p>That said, it does sound like a pretty extravagant over-the-top wedding, if a more tasteful one than your typical Kardashian affair. I suspect people latched onto that bit and just ran with it. I can&#x27;t reconcile his talk of nature and sanctuary with the extremely manufactured and &quot;faked&quot; nature of the event. Why not have a low-key ceremony in an actual beautiful natural area?
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j_salmost 12 years ago
See HN reaction to the Atlantic story here: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5824276" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5824276</a><p>and here: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5820590" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5820590</a>
parfealmost 12 years ago
While HN isn&#x27;t responsible for the content of the articles it linked to, the community here sure took the opportunity to write, and upvote, some awful things.<p>I wish there was a sort of pinned story feature to offer a community retraction that stays on the front page for a substantial amount of time. Sort of a group apology for promoting comments like &quot;I disagree. To me, this is the story of a single a-hole.&quot; and &quot;Fuck you Sean Parker.&quot;
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rogerbinnsalmost 12 years ago
I really hate how the American legal system lets the guilty get away with things.<p>In this case that hotel was very guilty of years of violations, and got away free. Didn&#x27;t cost them a penny. You see those settlements all the time where the guilty party made a payment but admitted no guilt. And of course the government has unlimited deep legal pockets and can make life hell for people. It is in their interest to overreach which makes it even more expensive and threatening for the innocent or those guilty of only a little bit.
frogpeltalmost 12 years ago
About wedding costs:<p>The median cost of a wedding is somewhere around $18,000 according to TheKnot.com while the median net worth is around $57,000. In other words, the median wedding cost &#x2F; net worth ratio is around 1&#x2F;3.<p>Mr. Parker&#x27;s wedding costs were around 1&#x2F;168th of his net worth. It wasn&#x27;t extravagant by that measure.
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Avshalomalmost 12 years ago
Wait when were weddings ever sacred?<p>How willfully ignorant of humanity do you have to be to think that a wedding like that was going to just go without comment?
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breadboxalmost 12 years ago
&quot;I have known the media to be irresponsible at times, but this represents a new low.&quot;<p>Actually, I doubt that. I&#x27;m willing to concede that it has become more prevalent recently, but it seems more likely that this level of irresponsibility has always been present in the media to some degree.
thretalmost 12 years ago
&quot;I was backed into a corner and had no choice but to give in to any demands made of me by the hotel or the commission.&quot;<p>The California Coastal Commission waited until 20 days before the wedding to blackmail him for one million dollars, simply because he could afford it. How on earth do they get away with this abuse of power?
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sceleratalmost 12 years ago
I sense that the backlash, well-informed or not, was fueled more by the extravagance of the event than its environmental impact.
cafardalmost 12 years ago
When last were weddings sacred, in the sense of not open to public comment? In Edith Wharton&#x27;s <i>The Age of Innocence</i> the mother of the bride is horrified at the notion that reporters might take a picture of her daughter and put it in the newspapers; and surely they would have. There is the folk tradition of the &quot;shivaree&quot;.<p>Second, &quot;Our wedding was the antithesis of the technology-infested world we live in; a world that I have played a role in creating.&quot; No, not really, any more than Marie Antoinette was a milkmaid. In a world insufficiently infested with technology, rich people don&#x27;t get married in the woods. In fact, apart from the men going there to hunt, they don&#x27;t spend much time in the woods.
crapshoot101almost 12 years ago
All in all, I was surprised&#x2F;impressed that he was willing to acknowledge that he&#x27;s been one of the biggest beneficiaries of the media disintermediation he helped to bring about, in many ways - and now he&#x27;s finally seeing a backlash from it. The standard point about clickbait and the Buzzfeedication of media is a reasonable one, but until stories &#x2F; media can earn online by maximizing for something other than CPM, this will continue. I don&#x27;t have any solution, just acknowledging the problem.
Zimahlalmost 12 years ago
I have to wonder how much of a backlash would&#x27;ve been created for someone other than Sean Parker. I don&#x27;t think this would&#x27;ve been much of a story if not for &#x27;The Social Network&#x27; portraying him as an egotistical, asshole, pseudo-con man (which he very well might be, I don&#x27;t know). But then comes along a story of him doing what seems like egotistical, asshole <i>stuff</i> and it&#x27;s too much to resist for the media. The narrative is already there so it writes itself.
Malloc_Leakealmost 12 years ago
The remarkable thing is, everyone had already forgotten about how much they hate Whoever Parker until he wrote this. If he really wanted to be left alone he would have just shut up about it. This is just attention grabbing and trying to re-write history, painting himself as a sympathetic figure that shouldn&#x27;t be picked on for living an extravagant life while the majority of his countrymen are getting kicked out of the middle class.
uptownalmost 12 years ago
I&#x27;m not going to read his article - but why is he still fanning this fire? People get worked up over things, then they move on. This is likely to just extend the time-period over which this will fade.
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gojomoalmost 12 years ago
9600 words!<p>The very rich are different from you and me... no one dare edit them for length.<p>That said, I am sympathetic to Parker&#x27;s point that social media&#x2F;journalism has, with all its benefits, also introduced certain pathologies for which we haven&#x27;t yet evolved countermeasures.
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pbreitalmost 12 years ago
I like Sean but I think he could have headed off a lot of criticism with way fewer words, probably sooner.
mrtrianglealmost 12 years ago
TL:DR The media is a bunch of haters, our wedding wasn&#x27;t as ecologically devastating as it was played out to be. Why&#x27;d you people use so many expletives about us?
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rdoublealmost 12 years ago
This dude needs something to do!