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I'd like to invest my time in your startup

42 pointsby monkeymeisteralmost 12 years ago

15 comments

tptacekalmost 12 years ago
Giving equity to contractors is a bad idea. Contractors can&#x27;t vest, and you&#x27;re effectively granting unlimited upside in exchange for the assumption of very, very little risk (he&#x27;s literally promising &quot;evenings and weekends&quot; time) and the delivery of transactional services.<p>A better plan for an offer like this is deferred compensation.
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gfodoralmost 12 years ago
I hate to be that guy, but part time, evenings and weekend only, remote workers who want equity and not hourly&#x2F;project compensation are basically the exact opposite of the type of employment arrangement startup founders are probably interested in. I&#x27;d be happy to proven wrong but sounds like a pretty raw deal for founders, since this type of arrangement not only dilutes them or takes from the options pool (which, if they are funded, is a <i>much bigger deal</i> than paying the person) but also introduces all kinds of overhead and unnecessary pain in dealing with the logistics and lack of focus the employee will inevitably have.<p>The only time this could be a good deal is if there was a real lack of engineering talent available for hire, so I guess if you consider startups outside of the talent hubs it could make sense. But even then, if the startup is considering remote workers, this is far less appealing than a full-time, M-F, salary based employee.
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clarky07almost 12 years ago
This is an interesting idea. As posed though, I don&#x27;t think it is workable. As noted other places in the thread, equity for contract dev work is pretty silly.<p>Posed slightly differently though, he could be a technical co-founder for someone else who is also still working a day-job. Helping do bits of work for a &quot;startup&quot; with full-time founders does not deserve a large piece of equity. (I know the article said &quot;small&quot;, but 8-18% as noted elsewhere in this thread by OP, is not in fact small.) Being a technical co-founder though would deserve this kind of equity or more, depending on how many people involved and what the work&#x2F;money requirements were.
tvladeckalmost 12 years ago
I was initially very skeptical of this idea but then I thought: &quot;Well, some of the money that investors would put into a startup would just go employees and other service providers - why not skip a step?&quot;<p>There are definitely alignment issues and other landmines that may make this a bad idea, but at the same time, the best way to find out what&#x27;s wrong with this model, how it can be improved, or how it could work in some form, is to try it out.<p>It&#x27;d be great if you posted a follow up in a month or two after you&#x27;ve gotten some traction.
bdcravensalmost 12 years ago
Handy to do the time zone translation, but keep in mind that there&#x27;s 4 time zones here, so that&#x27;s a 3 hour swing :-) I&#x27;m guessing you&#x27;re assuming Pacific time - contrary to what HN might suggest, there ARE startups in the US that aren&#x27;t in California. :-)
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livestylealmost 12 years ago
Are you looking at opportunties that have achieved product market fit or are you interested in MVP&#x27;s as well?
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fxtentaclealmost 12 years ago
In general, I like your idea :) and I&#x27;ve tried this route myself. Here&#x27;s how it failed for me:<p>Outside people can rarely judge the quality of your work. If you&#x27;re willing to work for free, they&#x27;ll assume that your work is worthless. At least I was treated quite bad by the startup that I tried to help...
monkeymeisteralmost 12 years ago
I&#x27;m right here if anyone&#x27;s got any ideas.
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cjalmost 12 years ago
Cool idea! I&#x27;d be down for a similar arrangement if anyone&#x27;s interested<p>UI, UX, design. Frontend developer, backbone experience. YC alum. SF<p>bp@brandonpaton.com
knesalmost 12 years ago
Nothing to really add to the discussion but +1 for using Pusher for your realtime features!<p>If you ever in London, come to our office and say hi!
janamerialmost 12 years ago
Sweat equity rising! Great! (Ps.I wish there was a video to demonstrate how Productiv.io works.)
Jhstoalmost 12 years ago
Smart idea. Those investors will surely sound good when pitching for funding later on.
livestylealmost 12 years ago
Part of why this is appealing for myself is that hint of a co-operative feel it has.
cleverjakealmost 12 years ago
Just a note &gt;&gt; I do have is 8 thumbs and 2 thumbs<p>Not sure if that is a joke or a typo
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hnrandomalmost 12 years ago
After 13 years working essentially 2 high paying jobs how do you not have thousands of pounds to invest in businesses?
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