TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

Ask HN: Just lost my year long placement because they have no work. Begging for advice

20 pointsby Tarksabout 16 years ago
I'm a student programmer (mainly c++/c# exp) currently living in England, my placement office only found very ill fitting placements (e.g IT Manager) for someone only interested in becoming a great developer (I wanted a placement where I could learn from more experienced programmers). I found a company that I thought would be great and managed to go through the whole interview process etc, then at the very last second said they can't take me on.<p>I'm now faced with difficult decisions. My options are:<p>1) Go straight into my final year at university.<p>2) Continue desperately looking for a placement, it needs to start in the next two months to be considered part of my course.<p>3) Try to get funding and continue work on one of my entrepreneurial side-projects full-time for a year, then go into my final year.<p>As you can imagine I'm a bit scared and annoyed, mainly at myself. I wasn't stupid enough to willingly put all my eggs in one basket, I just couldn't find any more baskets. I even had to tell my best friends at university to sign for a house without me because they'd already waited too long just in case.<p>I doubt 3 is a good idea, I have no cash flow and no savings, so if worst comes to worst I have no way to support myself. I also really don't want to go straight into my final year because I'll be foregoing a great opportunity and I'm dying to actually work with other developers (yes I'm looking at open source projects to satisfy that).<p>I've been searching every job website I can find and emailing anyone who seems like they're in a position in which they could help.<p>I'd love to be somewhere where I can be mentored.<p>I know, I know, I'm a whiny little kid who didn't get what he wanted and now expects other people to help. I'll gladly take that stigma if I get just one useful comment helping me move forward.

14 comments

sachinagabout 16 years ago
It would be helpful if someone explained this placement thing to us Yankees. We have summer internships, but the notion of a placement strikes me as a fundamentally different beast. (Googling failed me.)<p>The standard American response would be to work on open source projects and focus on getting good grades in your last year to make yourself attractive to full-time employers upon graduation.
评论 #601831 未加载
评论 #601953 未加载
评论 #601838 未加载
llegerabout 16 years ago
Reading through the comments, it's clear that you've already gotten some good advice. Instead of answering your question, I thought that this quote might be helpful by providing insight into solving your problem.<p>"Remembering that I’ll be dead soon is the most important tool I’ve ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything—all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure—these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart."<p>Don't think that I just dismissed your question and posted some obscure quote (it's actually Steve Jobs from his Stanford commencement speech). I've weighed this carefully because it's clear that you're at a crux; this is an important time and I'd like to impart as much as I can to you.<p>But, Steve just said it so much better.<p>Tarks, you really just need to follow your heart. And yeah, that sounds like a trite mantra, but I think that you'll find yourself in a much better position if you take the risk and do what you want—don't live in the dogma of society. Take action and do what you've been telling yourself you want all along. Generally, our heart really knows what we want better than we do. And when we follow what we want, things tend to have a way of working themselves out.<p>Sure, keep your perspective; understand how the real world works. But just do what you feel is right.<p>I hope this helps; good luck to you, man.
评论 #601937 未加载
TomOfTTBabout 16 years ago
Honestly, and I don't mean to be rude here, but I think you're living in a dream world right now. The chances of getting funded at school age or finding the perfect job given the current economic climate are next to nil.<p>If you can afford to finish school I'd do that. Otherwise I'd take what you can get job wise and ride out the storm (while obviously keeping your eyes open in case you get really lucky and the perfect job comes along).
评论 #601837 未加载
评论 #602175 未加载
amirnathooabout 16 years ago
We're looking for a C++ developer to help us develop WebMynd for Internet Explorer. Especially interested if you've had any experience with browser helper objects. We can offer some salary, generous options and travel to San Francisco if things work out.<p>If you're interested, get in touch using the email address in my profile.
pclarkabout 16 years ago
Sandwich years are really beneficial to students. You're far more likely to get a "real" job when you graduate.<p>If you graduate.<p>A really common problem (?) with sandwich years is that the student is so good, and enjoying actually <i>working</i> that he doesn't <i>want</i> to return to university to finish his degree. Doing a year at a fun company makes the final year drag like a bitch.
评论 #602386 未加载
bensummersabout 16 years ago
As you're here you're probably interested in startups. Have you started going to all the startup events in London and asking around? (most events are free - example: <a href="http://www.meetup.com/minibar/" rel="nofollow">http://www.meetup.com/minibar/</a> )<p>There are lots of startups around who need people to write code. Some might even be able to offer a position for a year.<p>I've been thinking about these industrial placements from the other side, as a potential employer. As a startup though, the problem is minimising the risk of getting someone who's not going to be productive.<p>Tarks: there are no contact details in your profile. Do consider getting in touch with me.
评论 #601945 未加载
randomtaskabout 16 years ago
First of all fair deuce. I wish I had the motivation you do when I was in your position.<p>My suggestion is to take a year out anyway even if you don't find something and work a part time job while doing some open source development. This way you will get the experience of working on a large development project with people. When it comes time to interview you will have code that has made it into software that your prospective employer might even use. Also when they google you your name will appear associated with this work.<p>The successful applicants for the Google SoC have been announced already and there are a whole load of good projects that didn't get picked. You could pick one, approach the team, and tell them you're willing to work on it if they'll mentor you a bit.
iamcalledrobabout 16 years ago
I'm sure you can find a startup somewhere in London who will be more than happy to have an extra pair of hands around the place. Find startups and start calling.<p>This is assuming you're not looking for a paid placement. Paid placements are going to be hard to come by, because companies want to minimise expenditure right now, and a student is a bit of an unknown.<p>You might be able to claim travel expenses, but I wouldn't count on more than that.
评论 #602187 未加载
sjfabout 16 years ago
I don't really see the value of a placement year. Whether you do a placement or not, in two years from now you'll still have the same result, a degree plus one years experience. Except if you worked after graduation you will be paid as a graduate, not an intern. Why delay graduation so you can get paid less to do work they only trust an intern to do?
评论 #602185 未加载
v4usabout 16 years ago
I tihnk there are two options<p>1) Go to grad school (or just become a Research assistant) and start to work with proff. If you love science and you may resist of depression, it will give you funding, intresting (but really hard) work, mentoring and etc.<p>2) Continue work on your own enerpreneurial project.
baboabout 16 years ago
Go straight into your final year at university. That's a right time for studies, get a degree or you will regret later. There is more then coding to be a good programmer.
zcabout 16 years ago
Just make the decision yourself. You've probably already made it. If you really want us to make the decision for you, you should have made a poll.
pclarkabout 16 years ago
we work out of red gate softwares (cambridge, microsoft tools, red-gate.com) offices, if you're good (and I'll trust that you are) I'll happily attempt to forward your CV to someone relevant. email is in my profile. Can't hurt, right?<p>oh and if you know ruby well, include that as we might be able to help you.
评论 #602095 未加载
Allocator2008about 16 years ago
Given the options listed above, provided option 1 is financially viable for you, I might suggest going with that. I know that may be disappointing, just going on to the final year of university, but that might be the safe bet.<p>Also, QA is a good "entry point" for aspiring developers. People transfer to and from QA from development all the time. I am in the automation side of QA, so I am kind of in that gray nether world between QA and development, since my job is to develop, but the deliverables I work on are test scripts, rather than the product deliverable. So if you are starting out, just getting a QA job is at least a foot in the door.<p>So I might say, that, to play it safe, given your current situation you might want to go ahead and plan on just continuing with university - if I am not mistaken I think this is still largely subsidized by Whitehall since in theory the subsidy is offset by the graduate tax - correct me if I am wrong there, but if I am right, this should be viable for you. But then, also, on the side, I'd keep my eye out still for gigs, even if just part-time, or looking towards when you graduate, and I would keep QA in mind as an option, since if you do well in that and demonstrate your technical competencies, often there is opportunity to segue to more technical stuff in QA (i.e., automation), and from there, often into development. Good luck.
评论 #601839 未加载
评论 #602181 未加载