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Leading Australian Telco storing data on behalf of US government

104 pointsby zzyganalmost 12 years ago

7 comments

acqqalmost 12 years ago
One commenter there wrote and I&#x27;d like to read some reasonable answer to that:<p><i>This is old news, obviously no one watched 4 Corners years ago – I think 15 – 20 yrs ago. I think it was about a program called Echelon. Remember the time a New Zealander broke into one of those unmanned “Pine Gap” sites (in NZ) and found mainframe computers downloading telecommunications data. Did we care then?</i>
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damncabbagealmost 12 years ago
Worse, a number of ISPs use Telstra&#x27;s lines, eg. iiNet, Internode, TPG. I have no idea if that agreement also covered others using the same cables.<p>(Telstra was government-owned until it was privatised from 1997-2000, and as such has a monopoly on most of the phone lines; the government sets the wholesale rates at which the lines are leased to other companies. Optus ran a bunch of their own cables, but the coverage isn&#x27;t nearly as extensive.)
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arjnalmost 12 years ago
Note that Telstra was once owned by the Australian government. Recently their stake was reduced to about 10% (according to wikipedia) but IMO the Aussie government still dictates a lot of what Telstra can do.
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dcfindlayalmost 12 years ago
Interesting that nobody I&#x27;ve talked to over here seems to be that surprised about the extensive data collection. A few people are annoyed about the unaccountable way it&#x27;s been done and the abuse of power, real or potential, though.<p>It takes a lot to shake Aussies out of the &quot;she&#x27;ll be right&quot; mentality, and we don&#x27;t have a Fourth Amendment to be violated like the US does.<p>I also fear that the aware, technically literate people here won&#x27;t attempt to move Parliament House on the issue, they&#x27;ll just resort to stronger encryption.<p>edit:grammar
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sevalmost 12 years ago
Every time I try to explain the implications of privacy intrusion to friends some always argue, &quot;who cares, as long as you&#x27;re not doing something wrong&quot; - they also don&#x27;t care about identity theft or anything...they simply don&#x27;t care. And I want them to care...how do I force them to?
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CPAhemalmost 12 years ago
More detailed analysis and original documents <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/12/telstras-deal-with-the-devil-fbi-access-to-its-undersea-cables/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crikey.com.au&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;12&#x2F;telstras-deal-with-the-d...</a>
decryptthis_NSAalmost 12 years ago
Big Telcos are at the mercy of big governments for anti-trust issues, contracts so this is not a surprise. DOJ and FBI can cause them many headaches.<p>This should bite them though when trying to buy foreign firms, cable links etc. No rational and influential country would let them do it after these leaks.