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Plug anti-PRISM solution raises half a million dollars in 9 days on Kickstarter

69 pointsby gawenralmost 12 years ago

17 comments

DanBCalmost 12 years ago
This is a &quot;USB NAS Dongle&quot;, with different software.<p>The hardware is already made and available. Here&#x27;s the manf listing for the Wanser-R: (<a href="http://www.mrt-communications.com/WANSER-R.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mrt-communications.com&#x2F;WANSER-R.html</a>) Here&#x27;s the Alibaba page for the MRT communications NAS Dongle device (<a href="http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/103191249/NAS_Dongle.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.alibaba.com&#x2F;product-free&#x2F;103191249&#x2F;NAS_Dongle.htm...</a>)<p>Here&#x27;s an Amazon listing for something similar (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Addonics-NASU2-NAS-Adapter/dp/B001OC5J9U?tag=duckduckgo-d-20" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Addonics-NASU2-NAS-Adapter&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B001OC5J...</a>) and the manf page for that (<a href="http://www.addonics.com/products/nasu2.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.addonics.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;nasu2.php</a>)<p>I&#x27;m not sure I want someone doing weird things to my file system.<p>I really hated the way they described what it does. I also disliked the &quot;new technology&quot; to &quot;instantly transfer files, no matter how many&quot;.<p>I have no idea if they&#x27;ve implemented the encryption in any kind of sensible way. I guess we&#x27;ll hear later if someone breaks it. I guess it&#x27;s nice that there&#x27;s more encrypted traffic going over the Internet - regular people using encryption means encrypted traffic is not automatically suspicious and needs the same legal process of warrents to intercept it.
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GhotiFishalmost 12 years ago
I fail to see how plug is anti-PRISM.<p>All your devices need to install plugs software, at which point you provide a login and a password, and <i>bam</i>, you now have full access to your files connected to your plug...<p>what?<p>So we go out and contact plugs central server, provide a username and password, and now we have remote access to all our files.<p>ALL of them. Plug syncs everything.<p>PRISM, the program that secretly told internet service companies to provide access and tell no one. and plug, the device that makes every single file you have visible on a network connection that they hold the keys to.<p>Plug is going to have to go a long way to convince me that they can&#x27;t be compelled to release my credentials to a government authority, even if they said they never would and they really really meant it, that still means they have complete and total access to my life.<p>Anti-PRISM here isn&#x27;t meaningless, it&#x27;s outright wrong. Your product is only anti-PRISM if your product assumes the author can&#x27;t be trusted in addition to not trusting the lines the data is sent on (At least they did that).
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p4bl0almost 12 years ago
The usage of &quot;anti-PRISM&quot; is becoming meaningless. It&#x27;s like the new rockstar node.js on rails ninja. Just a buzzword. If you think that using your own server instead of DropBox, switching from Gmail to another email provider, and encrypting the content of your files and emails will protect you from PRISM, well, you just don&#x27;t understand at all what PRISM is all about.<p>First, nothing prevent government to listen to what happening on the backbone cables (and they do, we now have the confirmation, they don&#x27;t just ask a finite list of service providers for the content of their users). Hiding the content is one thing, but what these government programs mostly consist of is to recreate people&#x27;s networks. This is the main point. Sure it&#x27;s always good to encrypt stuff, but it&#x27;s not sufficient to be called anti-PRISM. Most of the &quot;anti-PRSIM&quot; thing I read about are not anti-PRISM at all, it&#x27;s just used as a buzzword. And it&#x27;s a shame that a community such as HN fells for this.
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bpolaniaalmost 12 years ago
In this case what exactly does anti-PRISM means? How I see it it would be PRISM 2.0, since the NSA will now not only have access to your cloud files, now it will have access to your personal physical drives.<p>will I need to have a Plug account to access my drives? Will I be able to access those drives from outside my house or office? Will my users&#x2F;password for that account will be stored at some king of Plug centralized server?
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belornalmost 12 years ago
So its a closed source freedom box project with smaller scope, through it has an prototype app-layer for the phone and other similar devices.<p>I really hope someone would just make a competing kickstarter project to make a similar app-layer for the freedom project.
dalalmost 12 years ago
Closed source, low performing hardware. Who would want this?
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downandoutalmost 12 years ago
It&#x27;s an inexpensive way to create a SAN with some software to tie stuff together. Assuming your router doesn&#x27;t already do most of this, I suppose it could be useful for home users. I find the anti-Prism claims to be getting old quickly, and probably dubious in this case considering users with no security knowledge are being encouraged to create a single access point to all of their data. This obviously resonates with people, but I&#x27;m rather surprised at the success so far.
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lucb1ealmost 12 years ago
Okay so you just plug this in to storage on one side, and internet on the other. Then it works on LAN, but apparently also outside your LAN? They showed that in the video. So there must be some sort of udp&#x2F;tcp hole punching to get through the NAT?<p>And then the files sync at the speed of my 832kbps upload speed? So much for &quot;one memory on all devices&quot; when you barely reach 100KB&#x2F;s reading speeds from your &quot;memory&quot;, divided by the number of users&#x2F;devices, except for any cached files. But the whole point was: no more moving, copying, downloading or uploading, so caching files (which they showed) is in direct violation with that vision and should not needed to be used.<p>Seems this product is just not for me and it&#x27;s going to disappoint a lot of users (500k backed shows they put a lot of trust in it). I&#x27;m happy to store things in a cloud, but files will be encrypted before transmission and it has to be open source software (preferably even already existing utilities).
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throwit1979almost 12 years ago
Um, there&#x27;s also the client side of this.<p>You can lock up your data all you want, but with the NSA deeply embedded in telecoms and mobile device manufacturers, once you try to access said data in a manner consistent with the project&#x27;s marketing, e.g. on an apple-engineered device running Verizon&#x27;s comm middleware, the NSA gets your data anyway.<p>This is the same problem projects like Moxie&#x27;s silent circle have. It&#x27;s trivial for the authorities to grab data between the device&#x27;s interface and the software - they don&#x27;t need to decrypt a damn thing.
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TerraHertzalmost 12 years ago
If &#x27;kickstart fund the Plug, to obtain cloud-like secure home storage&#x27; is code-speak for &#x27;kickstart fund the purchase of some blackmarket nukes, and vaporize the NSA datacenters&#x27; then this just might work.<p>But seriously, there&#x27;s some fundamental reality denial going on here. You&#x27;re going to try and solve this problem with a gadget? Uh... and that problem would be that the Rule of Law has broken down, fascist criminals have taken control of the government, and seriously intend to impose a total information surveillance regime by whatever methods are required. Including, apparently, several hundred million rounds of hollow point ammunition.<p>Yeah, with gadgets like this you might make the process slightly more tedious for them. Assuming they don&#x27;t enjoy simply dragging people off to indefinite secret detention and crushing fingers until encryption keys are given up. But that&#x27;s a very shaky assumption. At best.<p>Also, closed source. Ha ha ha... Plot twist: Cloud Guys Corp are really NSA, preparing a backup plan in case their major net service provider taps go sour due to current temporary difficulties.
MortenKalmost 12 years ago
What could be really nice would be a kickstarter to get that poor Snowden out of Russia on a private jet and onwards to one of the countries offering him asylum.
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phy6almost 12 years ago
Plot twist: Information on donors leads to new selectors.
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deletesalmost 12 years ago
I guess you have to first install and register plug on the mobile device before you can use it. This would forbid connecting from any random computer.
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raalmost 12 years ago
The Kickstarter page [1] doesn&#x27;t lean heavily on the anti-PRISM angle, so I think the title is misleading.<p>In this case &quot;Anti-Prism&quot; means (not cloud but) USB attached HDD storage!<p>[1] <a href="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloud-guys/plug-the-brain-of-your-devices" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kickstarter.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;cloud-guys&#x2F;plug-the-brai...</a>
lttlrckalmost 12 years ago
So it&#x27;s proxy for actual real-life protest against PRISM? If enough people buy these it will force the government to change policy?<p>Anti-PRISM...
Gauhieralmost 12 years ago
Did Edward Snowden backed the project ?
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melkischalmost 12 years ago
best kickstarter project i have seen so far