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Texas students fake GPS signals and take control of an $80 million yacht

151 pointsby antitrustalmost 12 years ago

14 comments

patrickasalmost 12 years ago
That&#x27;s cool! Reminds me of the way the Iranian most likely got control over a US drone a couple of years back.<p>They jammed communication signals and faked GPS data when automatic &quot;go back to home base&quot; landing procedure kicked in.<p><a href="http://www.informationweek.com/security/attacks/iran-hacked-gps-signals-to-capture-us-dr/232300666" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.informationweek.com&#x2F;security&#x2F;attacks&#x2F;iran-hacked-...</a>
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yreadalmost 12 years ago
Yeah if they just used their paper charts, logged the position and compared GPS with the dead reckoning (or depth lines, radar shore returns,..) the attackers would have a much harder time... My sailing instructor always stressed that GPS is unreliable and especially when close to danger one should cross check what it says with other methods. Came in handy when my plotter failed.
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jug6ernautalmost 12 years ago
Click bait title(same as the article, for what its worth). $80mil yacht uses same GPS as a $80 sell phone, the 6 zeros dont change that.<p>To the actual issue, i wonder how practical this is? In that i mean what level of power output is required to override the correct signal and at what distance? Is this something that could be a real issue, impractical? What?
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forgottenpaswrdalmost 12 years ago
So a $80 million yatch can&#x27;t afford an $3000 high quality gyroscope?<p>Now you could buy amazing laser gyroscopes, for planes the Inertial navigation system error could be great, but for ships(that move more than 20X slower) is not.
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jsumrallalmost 12 years ago
Seems like an experiment contrived to take a trip to the Mediterranean. I can see this being a good bachelors experiment, but if its grad student work, it seems pretty obvious that if you set up a fake GPS satellite, it will skew the coordinates on someones GPS device.
ksrmalmost 12 years ago
As mentioned in the paper, a simple solution if there is internet connectivity is to verify that the ephemeris is correct. This is how assisted GPS works in mobile phones and the like anyway (the ephemeris and almanac data are downloaded over the network to increase acquisition times).
albertsunalmost 12 years ago
Sounds like the plot to this 1997 Bond movie. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow_never_dies" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tomorrow_never_dies</a>
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zbyszekalmost 12 years ago
I wonder how this compares with previous &#x27;pseudolite&#x27; ideas? The University of New South Wales (et al.) were active here but I think the point was more an augemtation to provide better positioning at GPS-unfriendly latitudes or topographies.<p>These ran into all sorts of problems, largely to do with the proximity of the pseudolites to the receivers such as synchronisation and signal strength issues. Locatanets (<a href="http://locata.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;locata.com&#x2F;</a>) are the in thing nowadays.
doomiconalmost 12 years ago
I own a sailboat, thank goodness my sextant isn&#x27;t affected by this security vulnerability :-)
pikewoodalmost 12 years ago
Do GPS signals not correlate themselves with a compass reading? I would think that comparing the change in coordinates to the external fact would prevent spoofing.
jevinskiealmost 12 years ago
I discussed this with my friend yesterday and wondered about key management with the military GPS channels. Is there a single key that, if extracted* from just one military GPS receiver, could spoof all military signals? Or are there multiple keys, possibly with a revocation scheme? GPS is getting old, what was the state of the art key management back then?<p>* I&#x27;m sure the anti-tamper technology is pretty great.
douglasfsheareralmost 12 years ago
The economist is today covering GPS outages near the London Stock Exchange. <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6123535" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6123535</a><p>Perhaps interference happens a lot more often that we think.
jevinskiealmost 12 years ago
The lab&#x27;s website has some interesting information. Looks like they are researching ways to add integrity to the civilian signals.<p><a href="http://radionavlab.ae.utexas.edu/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;radionavlab.ae.utexas.edu&#x2F;</a>
mrt0mat0almost 12 years ago
I am seeing this more and more. I&#x27;ve seen the ability to have a phone take over an airplane, a laptop control a car, now a laptop taking over a ship... where are all the security guys at when this stuff is implemented?
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