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We're about to hit phase 3 of ARIN IPV4 rationing

97 pointsby samuelkadolphalmost 12 years ago

12 comments

arsalmost 12 years ago
There are a ton of &#x2F;8 still assigned to companies that don&#x27;t need them.<p>Ford, GE, IBM, AT&amp;T (x2), Xerox, HP (x2), Apple, MIT, CSC, Eli Lilly, Nortel, Prudential Insurance, DuPont, Cap Debis, Merck, SITA.<p>All of those can return their &#x2F;8. That&#x27;s 18 &#x2F;8 potentially available.<p>And does the DoD really need 12 &#x2F;8&#x27;s? I get that they want to network every person, gun, ship, tank, truck and plane. But none of those need to be on the public internet. (Well, maybe the people do - but 1 &#x2F;8 should be enough for that.)
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teddyhalmost 12 years ago
Meanwhile, in Europe, RIPE ran out of IPv4 a year ago[1], and people have been happily implementing IPv6 ever since. In Sweden, there is a government directive[2] that all state infrastructure should implement IPv6 and DNSSEC by this year (2013) at the latest.<p>1) <a href="https://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ripe.net&#x2F;internet-coordination&#x2F;ipv4-exhaustion</a><p>2) <a href="http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/15234/a/177127" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.regeringen.se&#x2F;sb&#x2F;d&#x2F;15234&#x2F;a&#x2F;177127</a>
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tlbalmost 12 years ago
... And as the foredeck of the Titanic sinks below the water line, we enter phase 3 of deck chair rationing ...
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PhantomGremlinalmost 12 years ago
Bah. All this IPV4 &quot;exhaustion&quot; stuff can be simply solved. Almost overnight. Right now, most of the space is underused and simply being hoarded.<p>Want to free up 90% of the IPs? Easily? Then <i>charge</i> for them!!!<p>If MIT had to pay $1&#x2F;mo for each IP address ($16 million per month), it would immediately give most of them back.<p>If MIT had to pay $1&#x2F;year for each IP address ($16 million per year), it would immediately give most of them back.<p>And yet for people like me, paying (in round numbers) $50 &#x2F; month for Internet, $1&#x2F;year or even $1&#x2F;month would be &quot;in the noise&quot;.<p>So how many hundreds of billions of dollars will instead be spent on the designed-by-nerds very-difficult-to-implement not-very-backward-compatible solution of IPV6?
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p1mrxalmost 12 years ago
And news.ycombinator.com is still IPv4-only.
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jameswysealmost 12 years ago
I&#x27;d really hoped we&#x27;d have more support for IPv6 by now. It&#x27;s funny, every so often there&#x27;s a big &quot;We need IPv6&quot; push with lots of media coverage which is forgotten about shortly afterwards.<p>As far as I know there&#x27;s only one ISP (Internode) here in Australia which offers IPv6.
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unreal37almost 12 years ago
Unless I&#x27;m misreading it. The rationing rules in effect during Phase 3 are exactly the same as Phase 2.<p>So why the distinction at all?
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cascaalmost 12 years ago
There&#x27;s always been a vocal group who maintains that the IP addresses that are not visible on the internet should be returned. There are a number of problems with this argument.<p>Firstly, there are legitimate business reasons for having assigned, non-RFC1918 addresses that are only used internally. Interconnecting private networks belonging to different organizations that have overlapping 10.x addresses is a painful process. Sure it&#x27;s possible to NAT, but given that the IP addresses are effectively an asset of the organization, why not use them? I&#x27;m not implying that this is right, but it&#x27;s how the system was in the past and the cost of changing internal networking and applications could be very high.<p>Secondly, how do you prove that an IP address is accessible on the Internet? Many IPs do not respond to pings and I can easily set up a device that will answer for all IPs behind the corporate gateways.
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bloopletechalmost 12 years ago
What&#x27;s the time lag until we run out of IPv4 addresses at the VPS&#x2F;hosting provider and broadband ISP level?<p>I see the situation getting progressively more dire, and presumably these notifications are there to try and get people moving to avoid the wall; but assuming everyone keeps operating as close to the status quo as they are able, how long before we truly hit the wall?
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mfinchamalmost 12 years ago
Some good information on this from Geoff Huston: <a href="http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2012-08/EndPt2.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.potaroo.net&#x2F;ispcol&#x2F;2012-08&#x2F;EndPt2.html</a>
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kazagistaralmost 12 years ago
Its not really so bad. Its not like end users need IP addresses. All you need is addresses for all the major servers, and then like a couple dozen for each ISP, right?
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ck2almost 12 years ago
Time to go around to Fortune 100 companies and say &quot;use it or lose it&quot;.
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