Ask HN: How to make smalltalk?

I was about to capitalize the S because I thought this was going to be about how to write a Smalltalk implementation.<p>As for your actual question, sometimes the conversation dies because the other person wants it to, and you'd seem pushy if you tried to force it to continue. But in borderline cases I recommend asking the other person about their feelings about relevant things.<p>I was a peer conselor in college. They taught us something called Rogerian Therapy, which consists of adding as little as possible of your own spin to the conversation, just asking questions, particularly about how the other person feels. You can't be too obvious, or it gets annoying. But if you're subtle about it, people just open up.

What makes you think you're socially compatible with most people?<p>I think the key is realizing that you will probably only click with a small number of people. In my case, I click amazingly well with highly educated, ambitious, often nerdy people, and horribly with people who are really into sports or drinking.<p>So just striking up a random conversation is unlikely ever to be particularly interesting for me. As a result, I get bored and probably come across as quite boring.<p>So my recommended approach is to amplify your quirky, unique aspects. These may confuse or offend most people, but once in a while you'll run into someone who gets you. Then just go with the flow.<p>If you really want to get good with normal people, just get a job as a waiter or bartender.<p>I recommend lines like "wanna go on a treasure hunt? I'm looking for bits of radioactive ore" or "i'm looking for a soul mate and i am feeling this weird connection with you".<p>Definitely stay away from petty compliments about earrings, etc. Those are creepy and will turn most girls off. And unless you're a jeweler there isn't really very far you are going to be able to take the conversation, even if she loves talking about earrings.<p>Bottom line: Maybe 1% of people will look at you and get a good, happy feeling. Half of them will be left after you say something. So don't worry about the 99.5% of people who will be difficult to engage with. Focus on putting yourself out there and the 0.5% will be magnetically drawn to you and your best characteristics.

Aren't you the guy who posted the Ask HN about getting married before doing a startup yesterday? I think maybe you have your order crossed up.

Starting a conversation is much easier when you have a reason to think you have something to talk about with the other person. I too find it difficult (and generally, also fairly pointless) to engage random strangers on the street in conversation, but have found on the other hand that tech meetups, volunteer opportunities, and alumni events have a relatively high chance of producing interesting conversations, especially once I've established an "anchor" group of friends and peers within a particular community.<p>You may also want to consider the context for the conversations when trying to determine the reason that they die out. There was an article posted here some time back on the subject of "acceptable settings for flirting", which wasn't all that informative, but did hammer on one key point: people's degree of receptiveness to conversation with strangers depends largely on context. I.e., someone sitting by him or herself in a bar or coffee shop may be a bit more open to chit-chat than they would be when sitting at a bus stop, or having lunch in a cafeteria.<p>Basically, you should rely on favorable settings (parties, departmental mixers, sporting events) and implied social ties (academic cohort, shared professional interest, friends in common) to get your foot in the door, <i>then</i> try out your best lines, rather than expecting your wit alone to forge a new relationship.

There are basically three sources of small talk. 1. Things said previously in the conversation as in after asking what their major is a follow up where you actually know something about the topic. It helps to be well rounded. 2. Your personal interests(note: for a geek this usually turns out badly if they haven't signaled interest in the topic.) 3. Surroundings, posters for something happening on campus etc.<p>Let it die. It is the holding on to it after it is dead is what makes it awkward. It is easier to approach them a second time if it dies cleanly the first time.

(1) Good small talk is usually personal, in the sense that it's about the people talking. "I'm a morning person" is not inherently more interesting than "What a nice day!", but it creates a stronger bond between the people talking.<p>(2) Think of the conversation as an exchange of information: you're telling each other things about yourselves. If you just ask questions and don't volunteer anything about yourself, you seem creepy; if you only talk about yourself, you seem like an egotist. If in doubt, try to get her talking about herself more than you're talking about yourself, but not by too much.<p>(3) Don't try to show off your knowledge. It's good to be insightful or witty, and it's fine to introduce a relevant fact if it moves the conversation along. But in a casual conversation, people are not looking to be impressed by your knowledge of e.g. their major or yours.<p>(4) If the conversation stalls out, ask a very general question: something like "Are you having a good day?" or "Looking forward to the weekend?" or "How are your classes going?" This makes it easy for them to find a subject they're comfortable discussing. If someone replies to a question like this in a closed-off way, like "Yup" or "Fine," they're signalling that they don't want to continue the conversation. You can smile and say "Cool" and let it drop without any embarrassment. Not everyone likes talking to strangers, and everyone is sometimes in the mood to be alone with their thoughts.

Some things are made to hack and some things just aren't. You are wanting to hack something that just wasn't ever meant to be hacked.<p>The solution to your problem is so simple it's actually rather elegant: Just care about the other person. If you genuinely care, you'll have no problem finding things to talk about. You'll be asking questions, not because you're following a flowchart or playing a game, but because you <i>really</i> want to know. Fortunately, it's also the only way that works anyway; if you don't care, you'll be clocked and look like a fool.<p>OTOH, if you don't care about the other person, move on and save both of you the trouble.

I'm a hermit, similarly incapable of smalltalk.<p>I long ago discovered that no one really likes small talk. It's the prelude to a real conversation; that's the only reason people engage in it (or to signal to each other's monkey brains that one is not a threat).<p>The solution? Ramp it up into a real conversation. Talk about economics, politics, religion, and Emacs vs. Vim. Out of the blue, whatever.<p>On a side note, who do you think the women will remember more: the guy who they got into an conversation with about Frederic Bastiat, or the 100th guy to ask them about the weather?

It seems to me like you are using a "situational opener" which basically means you open the conversation with something nearby or something you notice. (weather, clothing, event, etc.)<p>Generally speaking these openers are not very good because after you talk about the situation the conversation is dead. After you ask her when the next bus comes along what could you possibly follow-up with? How many people do you think will be on the bus? Do you think it will be a bumpy ride?<p>So your goal is to move as quickly as possible from the situational opener into something deeper and more interesting. Find out something about where she is going and try to build off of that into a much more substantial topic.<p>It's best if you talk about things that are fun such as relationships or social problems. Always avoid the following topics though:<p>religion politics abortion affirmative action<p>These topics will destroy you.<p>Good luck. And once again, try to transition away from the situational opener as soon as possible!

If you can't make smalltalk with a girl then you can't make smalltalk with a guy either. Why does that matter, right? Well it isn't just girls you have a problem talking to. Chances are you're boring in general. And you obviously want to find a girl and a good way to find a girl is through her friends (both guy and gal).<p>If someone (guy or girl) asks what you're doing later tonight and the only answer you have is "Going to work on some code" then you are a boring person.<p>If you have no options in your lifestyle besides go home and sit at a computer you aren't going to be able to make smalltalk.<p>If you aren't going out this Thursday night to see a local band, or head to the park for some frisbee or soccer/football or volunteering to read children's books to kids at the library or really anything outside of your house what exactly do you think you're going to talk to these people about? The weather? Get some hobbies that you can share with other people. And pairs-programming does not count.<p>And a major point about majors. No one gives a flying fuck. Third month into freshman year every single person has been chatted up with "What's your major? oh that's cool, I'm a so-and-so". That's basically staple conversation to the point where you replay the conversation from memory rather than interacting with the person talking to you.<p>People who are "good" at smalltalk aren't making shit up on the spot. They go out and do things that they can talk about. Things other people do in a social setting. If you can only define yourself as a programmer you are a boring person.

i think that this is a good rule of thumb, although its not exactly the universal solution:<p>ask open-ended questions, and latch onto any information that comes back to you in order to ask more open-ended questions.<p>its not exactly small-talk, but people tend to like to talk about themselves and will generally respond reasonably to doing so.

One thing I &#60;s&#62;dont&#60;/s&#62; recommend you try is turning to a girl in a bar and going "jesus these prices are insane!" without realising she's a hardline christian who hates people using jesus as a "curse" word.<p>Still "with" her 3 years later. And we still row when I forget and say jesus :P<p>Controversy tends to work quite well because it gets someones attention then they conciously consider talking to you - casual talk or passing chat doesnt really engage anyone and they will pass you over w/o a thought (that is the awkward pause).<p>Dont say anything hurtful or rude obviously, just outrageous (preferably relating to an inanimate "thing" and definitely <i>no one</i> in the room in case you pick a friend)<p>Once you have someones attention you can have a real conversation (like pookleblinky suggested elsewhere). "Hi my name is...", "whats yours", "Whats do you do" is fine for small talk. As pookle also mentioned it lets you establish a non-threatening relationship... then pick a good topic to discuss, that can be hard but let it come naturally.<p>I think your <i>real</i> problem is that your thinking about it too much (I used to do the same). Just care less about what they might be thinking of you and talk as if you've known them for years. If they dont like you then being careful and considerate etc. wont help much anyway - their loss.

It's all about cockiness and really not giving a damn about possible outcomes. You also need to realize that many of the 'cool' people you talk to are caught up in a world of idiocy. Once you can pick up on the stupidity, you'll feel a lot more confidet and comfortable in approaching someone. I find that subtle sarcasm helps too.<p>If you're trying to approach someone who's not obviously part of the hip crowd, and from what you observe, they seem nice, approach them. You'll come to realize that people are as nervous and shy to talk to others as you are, so you're on the same level as most people.

wget ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/smalltalk/smalltalk-3.1.tar.gz<p>tar xzvf smalltalk-3.1.tar.gz<p>cd smalltalk-3.1<p>./configure<p>make

I've learned a lot from www charismaarts com<p>I highly recommend it. It may change your social life forever.<p>It's more about conversation than pickup. Peruse the forums. It's not about technique, it's more about intent. It's not about seeking approval, it's about giving approval.<p>I'm not going to rehash what their philosophy and conversational techniques are but if you were to search my previous comments on mingling and small talk - much of it is sourced from them.

Here, maybe this will help, and judging by the vocabulary <i>aherm</i> some folks are using to describe social situations here... they probably learned all this the same way I did:<p>1. If you're going to make conversation with someone, commit to doing it. i.e. don't mumble or make a half peep attempt at saying hi. Look at them, pause, smile, and say hello or something exciting like that.<p>2. If you want conversation to keep going... ask open ended questions. These are questions that can't be answered with just a yes or no. When you ask such a question be sure to answer it yourself. "I hope to take over the world one day. What are your dreams?"<p>3. Talk in terms of feelings. "I feel it is a nice day today, I love the smell of freshly cut grass" not "It is 80F this is the exact temperature I'm calibrated to like".<p>That should put you on the path. Good luck.

The thing you have to remember is that most people <i>love</i> to talk about themselves. This isn't a bad thing, it's just human nature. You can leverage this, however, for small talk. Ask the other person about themselves, and they will often talk for hours. You can keep it going by just asking follow up questions: "Oh, you went to College X? What made you choose that over Y?"<p>The trick with this is to not come off like you're writing a novel. The line between interested and creepy is pretty fine. The best advice I can give you here would be to avoid getting /too/ personal. Keep it general.

as a starting point, "how to win friends and influence people" by dale carnegie (less weird than it sounds)

The awkwardness of your 10s silence is entirely in your head. They might have the same problem, but you wouldn't notice if they didn't. Familiarity is about being able to be in someones presence without it becoming awkward.<p>A lot of attractive girls are boring because the guys always make the conversation, if you let her take the lead you will bore her by default. Try mentioning something she might be interested in and see if she latches on: then you can take the lead and make yourself interesting.

In general: Join Toastmasters, it will help with small talk and making speeches. Learn to tell jokes, a conversation is much easier if the other person is relaxed and laughing. Be well read and know how to argue in a non-confrontational manner. It is not always necessary to use the large blunt object to make a point.<p>If you are looking to get married and you need help meeting someone then google 'Doc Love' and read his free stuff or listen to his internet radio show. I was referred to a counselor for this sort of thing by a friend, the counselor was teaching the same methods of recognizing what is being communicated (by her and by me)<p>I tend not to notice non-verbal behavior or know what message I'm sending except in formal situations. At the time I wasn't ready for the information so it was frustrating. Later through I was and it has helped.<p>If you have problems with recognizing non-verbal behavior look into the work of Paul Ekman; again very helpful.

pack up some small anecdotes that are a lot of fun and that also expose your interests. Make sure they're not super-geeky - most laypeeps will enjoy a story from fmylife.com or rickrolls or /b/ gaming Time Magazine or whatever but not about star wars or iphone apps or functional programming, Sounds obvious but I personally definitely have to do a filter through my stories and file them in OK and not OK bins in my head. Showing off cool new iphone apps is ok too. It's okay to be geeky as long as you are interesting.<p>Switch between those and open-ended questions and you should be ok. About 1/3 ppl who I chat w like that chat back. 1/3 you could force it (and sometimes forcing it is worth it, since this is how you build up the game) and 1/3 are plain not down, but ignore those fools or switch to a more advanced game.

Just talk. Talk about anything and don't let your feelings get involved. Some of the best advice I ever heard was that shyness was just self-centeredness getting in the way. Focus on the other person and how they are responding to you. If you get "real" responses, keep talking. If you get "yeah," "nope," or apparent disinterest then disengage from the conversation.<p>Don't think about trying to get a "connection" with the person, it's just conversation, not an interview.<p>The important thing to remember is there is no reason to be embarrassed: this person has nothing against you, she just doesn't feel like talking to you. Maybe she would at some other time, maybe never. Either way, It's Not A Big Deal, just talk to the next girl you meet instead. After a while it gets easier and you don't even think about it.

The best conversations are those that aren't predictable. Get away from the mundane as fast as possible. You are a unique person, if you hide that uniqueness, you become boring and nobody will want to talk to you.<p>eg: You: "Crazy rain eh?" Girl: "Yeah." You: "I love the rain, it reminds me of Rangoon." Girl: "You've been to Rangoon?" You: "No but it is the best city name in the world." Girl: "I've always been partial to Riyad"<p>If rain reminds you of an episode of star trek or of an algorithm, say so. You'd amazed how far you can get if you say something w/ total confidence no matter how absurd. If the person blows you off, it's all good. 99% of people aren't going to be your friends.<p>Don't be boring and don't be afraid. The more you do it the easier it gets. You loose absolutely nothing by trying.

All you need to do is look for the other persons interest to perk up at specific topics and ask questions in that direction. Keep them talking about things that interest them, tell them how cool what they like is, etc. Make sure to have your own insights and be able to BS about any topic, but the most important thing is to keep THEM talking. People are more interested in what they have to say than what you do.<p>/sad truth

Actually, I had just came up with an idea for an iPhone application (check out <a href="http://fairsoftware.net/public/project/634" rel="nofollow">http://fairsoftware.net/public/project/634</a>)<p>I'd be interested in finding a developer and an English major to turn this into something real. I think this app has potential.

Ask her questions about herself. Demonstrate to her that you are interested in what she has to say. The end.

In my opinion, the goal of "smalltalk" is to find what you both have in common with each other. ("Are you a student? --Me too! Major? --Really ... I was going to go into that, but &#60;insert joke here&#62;") Assuming you do in fact have things in common, the rest should follow.

Does anybody else find it interesting that this question has generated so many responses here?<p>Suppose you are standing in line for a drink, and some HN person is in front of you. How to make small talk? Ask them, "how to make small talk," and you'll make small talk in no time.

This may not be what you're looking for, and I don't generally favor medication. However, for a personal, anecdotal perspective. A number of years ago, when stress was particularly high, I started taking St. John's Wort. In addition to taking the edge off of my anxiety, I found myself communicating somewhat more facilely particularly in random social encounters. It was a surprising and pleasant realization.<p>Now, as a counter-balance, in addition to lessening my anxiety, the St. John's Wort also seems to lessen my "spark" somewhat, depending on dose. I countered this somewhat by adjusting the dose, e.g. at times taking 150 mg as opposed to the "standard" 300 mg.<p>It's not a dramatic effect, and people still consider me plenty witty (when I'm in good form); but I do sometimes notice, particularly after it wears off, that I'm "seeing further/deeper".<p>The thing about St. John's Wort is that it is over the counter. It's also considered to be generally fairly benign, although you do need to be aware of potentially adverse effects on some other medication regimens. There are others to be aware of, but as an example, if you are female you should be aware that St. John's Wort lessens the effectiveness of oral contraceptives.<p>St. John's Wort is also noted for increasing photosensitivity in some people.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Johns_Wort#Adverse_effects_and_drug_interactions" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Johns_Wort#Adverse_effects_a...</a><p>For me, in part perhaps the St. John's Wort helps me to let go of my own concerns and to focus more on the immediate moment and what interests the other person. This immediacy eliminates much of the "hesitation" that quickly grows in awkwardness to the point where the interaction is killed.<p>As I've gotten older and, frankly, my hormones balance has correspondingly changed, I've found it easier to achieve this state without e.g. St. John's Wort (or alcohol, or whatever else might be used). Also, being involved in an activity that is very engaging and immediate can also on its own bypass / short-circuit / obviate this "hesitation".<p>So, I think there are ways to get towards what you describe without popping a pill. Perhaps meditation might be a component, over the longer term. Still, experiencing that ease is of itself interesting and informative, and so I share my experience for any benefit or further discussion it may promote.<p>I wish you well, and I wish you particularly the social grace you seek: As one gets older, it does become apparent how "short" our time is, and how important social life is to one's quality of life. You are right to want to improve your own.<p>Regards<p>P.S. If you do look into St. John's Wort, be sure to find a product that is standardized not only against hypericin but also against hyperforin. I've found that only those products that ensure the latter have the best efficacy for me.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Johns_Wort#Chemical_composition" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Johns_Wort#Chemical_composit...</a>

It would be worthwhile to read Human Relations on Ask MetaFilter (<a href="http://ask.metafilter.com/human-relations" rel="nofollow">http://ask.metafilter.com/human-relations</a>).

<a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=619182" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=619182</a>

Leil Lowndes' "How to Talk to Anyone" is an excellent primer.

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