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Can Japan reboot its startup culture?

62 pointsby rglovejoyover 11 years ago

13 comments

adreganover 11 years ago
In Japan, established companies are king. Nintendo claims to be 100 years old. My buddy&#x27;s company sells semiconductors, and they also claim to be 100 years old. Of course these companies aren&#x27;t truly 100 years old, but it means a lot to work an older company. There&#x27;s a lot of pride in it. Not to mention, banks want to deal with older companies and so do landlords (the article says some are looking for 2 years of profit).<p>I&#x27;ve certainly dealt with the pushback that comes with suggesting new ideas in Japan. I&#x27;ve heard &quot;efficiency&quot; derided as a foreigner idea, specifically &quot;you Americans always want to change things to make them more efficient&quot; in regards to no longer grading 1000s of multiple choice entrance exams by hand.<p>And I don&#x27;t want to get political, but while I can understand how Abe&#x27;s economic policies might help pump life into the startup scene, I don&#x27;t see how the hyper conservative social atmosphere he has charged since taking office will help. I don&#x27;t mean to be too cynical, but when I read that Abe wants to encourage Japanese startups, I read that he wants to encourage startups of Japanese people not startups in Japan (evidenced perhaps by all of the articles on this subject that mention Masayoshi Son go out of their way to tell you that he is Zainichi Korean, even though he&#x27;s a Japanese citizen and his family has been in Japan for generations).
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PhantomGremlinover 11 years ago
Fascinating article. My only quibble is when it mentioned &quot;tiny South Korea&quot;. That population is 50 million, while Japan&#x27;s is 127 million. So, yes, Korea is smaller, but hardly &quot;tiny&quot; in comparison.<p>And &quot;tiny&quot; probably doesn&#x27;t refer to land area either. Much of Japan is rural or uninhabitable. In both countries the amount of habitable non-farmland is relatively &quot;tiny&quot;. Quite unlike the USA.
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WhoIsSatoshiover 11 years ago
Japan is in dire conditions. Society has, just as it did in Europe, corrupted the way of living of people into a &quot;comfortable&quot; reality. Except Japanese are way better at it than Europeans. So they &quot;trapped&quot; themselves in this comfy reality, which really is a slow-mo zone. Because the population is declining and the new generation is struggling to grasp the situation (and what must be done) they are in for a world of pain. They will be a weak nation very soon, and I bet a certain old friend in the east will consider &quot;helping&quot; them...
kmfover 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve been in love with Japan since I was a anime-obsessed kid, and visiting Tokyo in high school was the best travel experience I&#x27;ve ever had.<p>Yet at the same time, I&#x27;ve heard it said that the software landscape in Japan is pretty rough -- bureaucratic, aged, and inefficient. I&#x27;ve found that really upsetting, because Japan has, of course, a reputation for being a technological wonderland.<p>People living in Japan -- natives or otherwise -- is this true? I&#x27;ve had a dream of living in Tokyo as a web developer since the day I came back from Tokyo, and it seems like the only way to make this happen as a non-Japanese speaking (though very interested), non-CS major American is to come already successful, or not come at all.
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chaostheoryover 11 years ago
Until their culture changes drastically I&#x27;m going to say No, for the following reasons:<p>- It is too risk averse. Making big mistakes, especially with your career, is looked down upon and it makes you a social pariah.<p>- Japan is too brand name obsessed and it&#x27;s not limited to products either. It extends to your career, as to what company you work for and what schools you graduated from. i.e. You need to work for already successful companies. It also doesn&#x27;t look too kindly on drop outs or anyone different either, who are probably the very people building successful start ups.<p>- While the younger generation is better, Japan still has a xenophobic society. Most foreigners unless they are of Japanese descent still can&#x27;t get citizenship. Foreigners bring a lot of innovation and different ideas to the start up sector that Japan misses out on it. The US isn&#x27;t perfect on this matter either, but compared to Japan it&#x27;s way better.<p>In Japan&#x27;s defense, most of the EU suffer similar problems.
ballardover 11 years ago
There might not be as many startups in Japan, but I can attest there are 100% Japanese startups that hustle hard as anyone in the valley, aren&#x27;t afraid to fail in front of friends&#x2F;family&#x2F;cofounders and are generally all-&#x27;round badasses. They are there.<p><a href="http://whill.jp/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;whill.jp&#x2F;</a> &lt;-- awesome
jason_tkoover 11 years ago
As a founder of a Japan based startup catering to businesses in Japan (MakeLeaps) and also as a co-organiser of the Hacker News Tokyo Meetups with my co-founder Paul, I found this article to be full of defeatism, inaccurate and generally disappointing.<p>A few points:<p>“this is accompanied by a very envious, critical and vocal audience. They underline every possible reason that the product will fail and keep doing so indefatigably. They attack the innovator on Twitter, Facebook, blogs, etc; and they keep doing so until the innovator raises a white flag.”<p>What.<p>There&#x27;s always haters and detractors. That&#x27;s part of doing anything in life, and start-ups are no exception.<p>Once, a Japanese guy spent 10 minutes trying to explain that our startup&#x27;s failure was guaranteed because Japanese people would never upload their company stamp (a necessary function of official Japanese business documents) to a web service. Even after I told him we already have a bunch of users who are doing this, he was steadfast, so I simply crossed him off the list of people to spend time on. Problem solved.<p>One of the very first things we learned when selling to businesses in Japan is that social proof is a critical factor. So our focus changed to getting even a single business using our software, and then trying to feature them and promote them as much as we could.<p>It&#x27;s pretty damn hard for people to say your product is failing when you can show you have a lot of people using it.<p>The more we did this, the more businesses we could get, and we continued to repeat this process until last month when we finally crossed 10,000 signed up companies in Japan.<p>Getting to here took years of work. This is part of a startup. Understanding your problem space and challenges, and then adapting your product and marketing message accordingly.<p>&quot;Japanese businessmen tend not to trust the younger generation.&quot;<p>Oh yeah? Try doing a startup and being in the younger generation, AND being foreigners.<p>You have to build and earn trust over time. You&#x27;re not handed a trust card as soon as you open a new business.<p>&quot;If you look at successful Japanese start-ups, they are mostly run by CEOs who have applied the ‘foreign connection’ in some way&quot;<p>This is frustratingly inaccurate, and belies a total lack of exposure and understanding of the Japanese startup scene. There are plenty of very successful startups that are based in Japan, and focused on Japan, that have zero foreign elements.<p>&quot;In some cases, like Mr Son, he has managed to combine all five factors.&quot;<p>Commentating on the Japanese startup scene using the CEO of Softbank as an example, Softbank being a company founded in 1981 with a market cap of 43 billion dollars, makes no sense at all.<p>&quot;There’s lots of venture capitalists here but they are only interested in games and new media&quot;<p>Wrong. We get weekly un-solicited contacts from Japanese VCs asking for meetings with us.<p>This is a result of us hustling very hard over a long period of time, and working very hard to establish our credibility and stability.<p>The Japanese startup scene definitely has areas where it can improve, but they&#x27;re at best papered over in this article.
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sgdesignover 11 years ago
One thing the article doesn&#x27;t really talk about is that Japanese companies are very active in investing in (or sometimes outright buying) foreign startups (for example, Recruit buying Indeed).<p>I think this shows that some Japanese businesses are at least conscious of the problems depicted in the article, and are trying to learn from Silicon Valley.
mathattackover 11 years ago
Excel actually isn&#x27;t that bad for managing projects. Does saying that make me old, or a skeptic?<p>Digging deeper into this... I would like to see some data on where grads go. Having spent time in Japan, my intuition was a disproportionate amount of top grads from top schools want to work at old (40+ years) large companies, relative to a similar number in the US. The ones who do go elsewhere wind up at small family businesses. I would like to see data on this.<p>The larger issue is there isn&#x27;t as developed a concept of &quot;VC and Angels toss a bunch of small piles of money at juniors and hope one or two grow into a big pile.&quot; I suspect the data behind this is much easier to find.<p>Perhaps much of the push can come from outsiders? Foreigners well versed in the local customer, with foreign money? The large companies tend to be more reluctant to hire international workers anyway.<p>It&#x27;s not easy, but Japan is a glorious country with a fascinating culture. It&#x27;s worth the effort.
jolksover 11 years ago
Samurai Incubate is like Y Combinator of Japan. Today Samurai Incubate manages ¥543 million (about $5.7 million) of investment capital spread across four funds. Sixty start-ups have received funding to date, each typically in the range of ¥4 million – ¥5 million (roughly $40k – $50k). -<a href="http://beaconreports.net/entrepreneurship-in-the-samurai-tradition/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;beaconreports.net&#x2F;entrepreneurship-in-the-samurai-tra...</a>
graupover 11 years ago
Related, although not adding too much new: &quot;Wake up Japan!&quot; says Dave McClure <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5274049" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5274049</a> <a href="http://fumijp.blogspot.jp/2013/02/wake-up-japan-says-dave-mclure.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fumijp.blogspot.jp&#x2F;2013&#x2F;02&#x2F;wake-up-japan-says-dave-mc...</a>
rwmjover 11 years ago
For the benefit of UK license payers(!) can someone copy that article so we can see it?
Gepsensover 11 years ago
Replace Japan with Europe, same shit.