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Ask HN: Red Team

8 pointsby resdirectorover 11 years ago
Over the last few months I&#x27;ve read a large amount of disturbing articles on US surveillance. Although it&#x27;s debatable whether the US has already started a descent into totalitarianism, it now possesses tools which put it at the top of a slippery slope. I now find myself wondering how likely it is that America will remain a democracy in my lifetime.<p>Instead of asking what we can do to avert a such a slide, maybe it&#x27;s better to first ask a Red Team style question (http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Red_team):<p>&quot; If you had the means and motivation to turn the US into a dictatorship, how would you go about doing it? &quot;<p>I&#x27;m keen to hear HN&#x27;s thoughts (obviously not because I have such means nor motivation!). Rather, if the US was to descend into dictatorship it could quite possibly come from a strategy that many have not even considered. Being keenly aware of the ways in which the US could become a dictatorship, may better prepare us to prevent such a horror from happening.

5 comments

tobylaneover 11 years ago
Is the (de facto) dictator a politician, or a group of businesses?<p>Regardless of where we are on the slope, or how noticeable the slope is, being told to be aware of it is a damaging step. If you&#x27;re told you&#x27;re capable of affecting something that has a bad outcome you&#x27;ll be so alert and worried over it you&#x27;ll be stressed. If that happens over a few decades as the democracy slips away you&#x27;ll be too weak from stress ulcers and so on.<p>Yes, I am basically saying you can&#x27;t healthily fight this. I don&#x27;t look much into political history but I guess it&#x27;s easier to get public support once the evils are laid bare. Maybe someone who knows history could point out when and where this has and hasn&#x27;t worked.
quantumpotato_over 11 years ago
I&#x27;d wage false flag operations on local soil and insist that Oceania did it, and Oceania is bad so we have to invade them to spread democracy and &quot;freedom&quot;.<p>Rinse and repeat.
kefsover 11 years ago
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Inverted_totalitarianism</a>
Spoomover 11 years ago
As a lawful permanent resident, even talking about such things hypothetically could get me into hot water with USCIS.
contingenciesover 11 years ago
Don&#x27;t brainstorm on this subject.
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