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Matt Damon: Edward Snowden did a great thing

257 pointsby vinhnxover 11 years ago

17 comments

yuvadamover 11 years ago
As Matt Damon was talking about &quot;civil liberties vs. security&quot; it resonated with essentially every second sentence DIRNSA was saying at his public appearance at BlackHat.<p>This is a false dichotomy, and definitely <i>not</i> about some sort of tradeoff to protect us from &quot;terrorists amongst us&quot; (which in itself is a dubious claim.)<p>All these programs are about the creation of a de-facto authoritarian state serving nobody else but the powerful corporations and the decision-makers that said corporations keep in place via their accumulated wealth.<p>This isn&#x27;t some democratic debate about civil liberties at conflict. This is a fucking plutocracy.
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corin_over 11 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure how I hadn&#x27;t already thought of this, so I wonder has everyone else missed this or not. We&#x27;ve all been thinking that not enough people outside the tech. world have been paying enough attention to these revelations - what better way to change this than through celebrity endorsements? Not necessarily of Snowden himself, but endorsements of the message that what is going on is wrong.<p>Or has this been happening already and I just missed it?
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spodekover 11 years ago
Though just a role in a movie (though one he co-wrote), his scene about why his character in Good Will Hunting should or shouldn&#x27;t work for the NSA seems relevant.<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYteE7XGaY4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CYteE7XGaY4</a><p>EDIT: Here&#x27;s the text of it (it appears unformatted because it&#x27;s one long (well-delivered) line of text).<p>Why shouldn&#x27;t I work for the NSA? That&#x27;s a tough one. But I&#x27;ll take a shot. Say I&#x27;m working at the NSA, and somebody puts a code on my desk, somethin&#x27; no one else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I&#x27;m real happy with myself, cus&#x27; I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East and once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels are hiding... Fifteen hundred people that I never met, never had no problem with get killed. Now the politicians are sayin&#x27;, &quot;Oh, Send in the marines to secure the area&quot; cus&#x27; they don&#x27;t give a shit. It won&#x27;t be their kid over there, gettin&#x27; shot. Just like it wasn&#x27;t them when their number got called, cus&#x27; they were off pullin&#x27; a tour in the National Guard. It&#x27;ll be some kid from Southie over there takin&#x27; shrapnel in the ass. He comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, cus&#x27; he&#x27;ll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so that we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And of course the oil companies used the little skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them but it ain&#x27;t helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. They&#x27;re takin&#x27; their sweet time bringin&#x27; the oil back, of course, maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and fuckin&#x27; play slalom with the icebergs, it ain&#x27;t too long &#x27;til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy&#x27;s out of work. He can&#x27;t afford to drive, so he&#x27;s walking to the fuckin&#x27; job interviews, which sucks because the shrapnel in his ass is givin&#x27; him chronic hemorrhoids. And meanwhile he&#x27;s starvin&#x27; cus&#x27; every time he tries to get a bite to eat the only blue plate special they&#x27;re servin&#x27; is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I&#x27;m holdin&#x27; out for somethin&#x27; better. I figure fuck it, while I&#x27;m at it why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected President.<p>EDIT TWO: Watching that monologue in context made the scene more relevant. The NSA guys try to entice him with the opportunity to work on cool math with brilliant people. He responds with something I can only imagine current NSA smart people haven&#x27;t done but I hope they are starting to -- to consider the consequences of their actions and their responsibility. Hacker News posted a story -- <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6258093" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6258093</a> -- about a math professor whom the NSA employed for a couple summers as a math undergrad in Princeton now calling on his colleagues to question their contributions and to speak up.<p>It raises a timeless question in science and engineering: &quot;I <i>can</i> do this, but <i>should</i> I? ... What are the consequences?&quot;
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serenover 11 years ago
&gt; &quot;If we&#x27;re going to trade our civil liberties for our security, then that should be a decision that we collectively make,&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t understand how the blog author can relate the use of the word &quot;collectively&quot; to a hint at Communism, East Germany and the Stasi. Is this generally a taboo word in the US ?
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kilianover 11 years ago
Is this in general how reporting on &#x27;celebrity opinions&#x27; is done in the USA? Apart from the one or two lines that directly quote Matt Damon, the rest of the article is an abomination.<p>I do however hope this reaches more people, there&#x27;s nothing like a celebrity endorsement.
gyardleyover 11 years ago
Gee, I didn&#x27;t have an opinion on Edward Snowden before, but now that I know what <i>Matt Damon</i> thinks...
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nicholassmithover 11 years ago
I recently read an interview with Damon that covered some of his background, which was quite left wing (his family still are) so I&#x27;m not surprised this bothers him. I hope he uses his position to try keep the conversation about what&#x27;s right and fair in terms of surveillance. It&#x27;s not great that we need celebrities onside to try and remind people that something is awful, but it&#x27;s not a bad thing.
AliEzerover 11 years ago
Could somebody please find Ja Rule so I can make sense of all this?
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cpursleyover 11 years ago
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUa5oHgYV2k" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BUa5oHgYV2k</a>
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squozzerover 11 years ago
Chris Matyszczyk sounded a bit condescending. But I had to laugh at his last line, &quot;However, can we truly trust ourselves? We are, after all, the bright sparks who voted in the current Congress.&quot;<p>I would extend that line of questioning to include:<p>1) Can we trust ourselves given that we elected several Presidents who were - a) Obviously oblivious frat boys who were better at campaigning than governing (GW Bush and Clinton 2nd term); b) Ex-CIA (GHW Bush -- actually he was DCI, don&#x27;t believe he was ever an agent); 3) Someone who campaigned on a progressive platform but quickly abandoned most of it upon election (Obama).<p>2) Can we trust ourselves given that we find a Matt Damon snark piece on Cnet so damned fascinating?
frogpeltover 11 years ago
A. Why does Matt Damon think <i>we</i> care what he thinks?<p>OR<p>B. Why <i>do</i> we care what Matt Damon thinks?
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popeeover 11 years ago
&gt; It is, though, a tempting and charming notion that we could all get together and decide on how much of our civil liberties we really ought to give up or not.<p>Is this really possible in US? Or is someone just going to explain to him that he is socialist&#x2F;communist? &gt;:-)
jongraehlover 11 years ago
Author suggests we should consider Damon an expert on whether someone is acting. That&#x27;s rather silly. Why aren&#x27;t we using actors instead of torture, then?
jfeover 11 years ago
worst writing ever.
hannibal5over 11 years ago
&gt;the actor who must know a thing or two about the covert world<p>and<p>&gt;He is being asked what he thinks of Edward Snowden. Astonishingly for someone who has been Jason Bourne and knows the danger of such things, he is answering the question.<p>WTF. Actor who has been playing Jason Bourne and been in Good Will hunting now is now expert?
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sigzeroover 11 years ago
Really? Who cares? His opinion is not any more relevant than anyone else.
cjdrakeover 11 years ago
Finally! I have been waiting in anticipation, not unlike a pre-pubescent girl at a Justin Bieber concert, for Matt Damon to make a statement. Oh thank you, great actor whose day job is to read what other people tell you to say, for telling me what to think. I would be lost without his voice, guiding me like a compass towards the truth.