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What Makes Employees Work Harder: Punishment or Pampering?

64 pointsby godarderikover 11 years ago

28 comments

kabdibover 11 years ago
Neither.<p>Trust. Empowerment. For the really good folks: Just get out of their way (and have good channels of communication so that it&#x27;s clear they&#x27;re not utterly going off the rails).<p>Having people continually worry if they&#x27;re going to be punished will make your org a hopeless mess. Supplying people with free snackies and flexible hours without giving them freedom won&#x27;t make them work harder, it&#x27;ll just give them a sense of entitlement.
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crazygringoover 11 years ago
This debate has been around for half a century. It&#x27;s far, far more nuanced than this article suggests. Here&#x27;s the original formulation of it:<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_Theory_Y" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Theory_X_and_Theory_Y</a><p>But it&#x27;s not that Theory Y is necessarily &quot;better&quot;. It depends on tons of different variables. And there have been plenty more theories after X and Y...
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dsr_over 11 years ago
Paying attention to people who are used to being ignored makes them do more. Negative attention or positive attention, both work.<p>If, as management, you are ignoring your employees, you aren&#x27;t doing your job well.<p>Negative attention can produce short term positive results, because the employee acquires focus. Long term, employees with self-respect will leave. If you can replace them with a robot, you should do that ASAP.<p>Positive attention can produce both short and long term positive results, but positive attention which is not earned will be converted into negative attention when the employee figures out you are not sincere. Don&#x27;t be a hypocrite.
JanneVeeover 11 years ago
Punishment only takes you so far. Like this dialogue from &quot;Office Space&quot;.<p>Peter Gibbons: The thing is, Bob, it&#x27;s not that I&#x27;m lazy, it&#x27;s that I just don&#x27;t care.<p>Bob Porter: Don&#x27;t... don&#x27;t care?<p>Peter Gibbons: It&#x27;s a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don&#x27;t see another dime, so where&#x27;s the motivation? And here&#x27;s something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.<p>Bob Slydell: I beg your pardon?<p>Peter Gibbons: Eight bosses.<p>Bob Slydell: Eight?<p>Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That&#x27;s my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.
Amadouover 11 years ago
I skimmed the research paper and I don&#x27;t think it says what the Atlantic article claims. It looks like the paper&#x27;s authors think making employee-theft less cost-effective caused employees to make up the difference in their income by working harder on tasks that also generated income for the company. That doesn&#x27;t mean they worked harder, just that they spent the same effort in different areas.<p>Assuming their model is even correct (I didn&#x27;t see an attempt to test the model itself in this paper) that would mean jobs which are not associated with easy theft would not benefit from getting the big brother treatment.<p>But that&#x27;s just my evaluation based on skimming it.
benjohnsonover 11 years ago
It <i>really</i> depends on the the employee.<p>Some thrive on open-ended projects, some thrive with bite-sized chunks of work with quick feedback.<p>For me, as an employer, I tend to go look at their car. If it&#x27;s a mess inside, then I tend to lump them in the &quot;needs quick feedback&quot; category.
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mullingitoverover 11 years ago
If they have no other employment options, the answer to this question is &#x27;yes.&#x27; If they have marketable skills, punishment will definitely make them work harder...at finding a better class of employer.
dmfdmfover 11 years ago
I think it was Bill Walsh (yes, the 49ers football coach) who wrote about one of his keys to managing the players. He found that some people are negatively motivated and needed to be pressured to improve, some people were positively motivated and needed praise and some people could be left alone. The trick was figuring out which class each player fell into.
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InvisibleCitiesover 11 years ago
The problem with &quot;feel bad&quot; motivation strategies is that they only really work in the short term. Sure, putting tracking devices on employees increases productivity right then, but after a few months, once the employees have figured out how to game the system (or realize that the data from these devices isn&#x27;t being scrutinized, because performing that kind of rigorous data analysis is expensive&#x2F;time consuming), productivity will drop right back to where it was before.
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ef4over 11 years ago
Neither. What&#x27;s even better (at least for creative workers like programmers and designers) is autonomy and ownership.
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stretchwithmeover 11 years ago
Evidence used seems dubious. The worker productivity graph could just be reflecting the layoffs of workers that aren&#x27;t productive, which often happens at the end of a massive bubble.<p>And restaurants where the management feels the need to install anti-theft systems, couldn&#x27;t productivity increases be management being free to focus on other aspects of the business? Or thieves being caught or deciding to go elsewhere?<p>And is the restaurant a hotbed of creativity worthy of examination? And what were the longterm effects on employee and customer happiness?<p>Any business can probably be made to perform better in the short run. What is the long term effect of a change is a more important question.
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adammilover 11 years ago
Many people I know, including me, simply need to know that the outcome of the work matters. Shipping product that results in zero feedback is a motivation killer. Even a little customer feedback provides an immediate productivity boost whether the feedback is good or bad. Similarly, a back-office project with no visibility or customer connection would be hell.
RougeFemmeover 11 years ago
Punishment works &quot;well&quot; in the short-term AND when the job market is bad AND for jobs that are low-skill where the employees are treated as interchangeable cogs. &quot;Pampering&quot; - or in most cases, simply showing that you respect and value your employees - works better in the long-term, regardless of the skill level of the employees. But too many companies are focused only on the short term.
teejaover 11 years ago
The end of the article says, &quot;If you&#x27;re looking for a job, any job, try North Dakota.&quot; The article that links to blames the great ND economy on oil. <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/the-geography-of-jobs-smart-policies-are-good-but-oil-is-better/279055/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2013&#x2F;08&#x2F;the-geog...</a><p>Energy&#x27;s partly responsible. But there&#x27;s a more important reason that NoDak didn&#x27;t suffer at all during the recession: its publicly-owned State Bank. It remained sane and stable and crime-free while those traits were rare in the other 49 states. Check it.
pacalaover 11 years ago
A sense of purpose. Long-term financial stability.
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avelisover 11 years ago
&quot;Drive&quot; by Dan Pink is a book I found to be a good read on motivation in general. I suggest anyone with some time to check it out. Book trailer: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc</a><p>The way I see it none of those two items are what makes employee&#x27;s work harder.
scotttobejokingover 11 years ago
This one is a bit of a puff piece...<p>Workers work harder in a recession. No big surprise. But I fail to see a clear link between a <i>recession</i> and &quot;punishment or pampering&quot;.<p>The one is a general climate which makes you value your job more, and the other is an act of relationship between you and your employer. It&#x27;s not at all clear whether punishment or pampering is more effective at making you value your job (or your employer) more.<p>I would suspect that a more valuable line of approach than looking at recession statistics (who&#x27;s going to manufacture a recession to get their employees to stay?) would be to ask a parent of children whether to use the carrot of the stick. They would probably point out that:<p>1)All their children are different and respond differently<p>2)<i>Both</i> negative and positive feedback are needed, but at different times, and in complicated ways.<p>Edit: clarity of language
vsbuffaloover 11 years ago
Sure, this might work with manual labor sectors of the economy, but for driven people in science or the software world, a boss being an asshole will soon see himself surrounded by bad people. The good people go elsewhere and be productive. I&#x27;ve seen this happen many times.
Sakesover 11 years ago
This immediately reminded me of Dan Pink&#x27;s - The puzzle of motivation - ted talk.<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;dan_pink_on_motivation.html</a><p>It focuses on how incentives affect the efficiency of creative jobs.
gesmanover 11 years ago
What makes an employer to think that harder == better?
guerrillaover 11 years ago
Neither, I found my answer here a while back: <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_what_makes_us_feel_good_about_our_work.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;dan_ariely_what_makes_us_feel_good_...</a>
ArekDymalskiover 11 years ago
I find it ridiculous that in 21st century people still hope that there will be one, easy-to-implement (and preferably instantly working and cheap as well) answer to this question. There are several (at least 20) different (de)motivators and each of us have his own configuration of them. But we still have to listen to the stick or carrot debate. Sigh....
mrbgtyover 11 years ago
The type of job must make a big difference in whether &#x27;feel-bad&#x27; works better than &#x27;feel-good&#x27;.
alan_cxover 11 years ago
My to words are &quot;respect&quot; and &quot;appreciation&quot;.
VladRussian2over 11 years ago
employees working harder&#x2F;better is just like an engine running more powerful&#x2F;faster. It is not necessarily translates into business&#x2F;project success, ie. the question is what this engine attached to, where the car (if it is a car) is being driven to or may be it is just a snowplow moving snow from one place to another and back, until sun shines and snow melts away :)
dredmorbiusover 11 years ago
My approach: nurturing, with sharp corrective feedback when necessary.<p>Technological and information processes are difficult to measure even in the best cases. As systems theorist Dennis Meadows notes, there are simple problems, in which solutions track monotonically better, and complex problems, in which the long-run preferred solution presents costs and negative growth in initial phases. We&#x27;re willing to accept this for short-term projects with well-established trajectories: a new business launch, building or infrastructure construction. It&#x27;s much more difficult to accept and sell such approaches where the problem space is novel, where there&#x27;s little experience with it, where progress isn&#x27;t particularly visible, and&#x2F;or the timelines are long (Meadows&#x27; principle work has been in the area of resource and population limits, which expresses all of these characteristics).<p>My experience and observations are that:<p>- People and organizations both prefer stability and predictability. If I don&#x27;t know from day to day that I&#x27;ll have a job, that my door badge will work (among the reasons I find them psychically deadening, and I&#x27;ve heard similar views voiced unprompted by others -- &quot;well, I&#x27;ve still got a job&quot; as they entered the building), my productivity <i>will</i> suffer. Much of the shift of pressure in the past 40 years or so has been of risk from organizations onto individuals.<p>- Consistency in feedback helps. This is difficult with complex systems, and devising good metrics can be difficult. I&#x27;ve often provided harsh feedback for systems I use (of late, Google+, though it&#x27;s annoying me less, today, GNOME in another H&#x2F;N story). Though I&#x27;m doing so as someone <i>outside the control structure of the organizations providing the service.</i> It&#x27;s one thing to take criticism from someone who can choose to stay or walk away, it&#x27;s another when it comes from someone who can tell you to walk. One of the interesting aspects of Free Software development is that it very often divorces the technical criticism and workflow from employment. A kernel developer can hop from job to job, and still do the same work. They can be harshly criticized by Linus or others on LKML, but those people have no ability to fire the developer, only to make a decision to accept or not accept submissions.<p>- Organizational sanity helps. However (see my first point) organizations which themselves operate in high-risk environments are often poorly structured to be able to shield their employees from those pressures (and if you find yourself with management who succeeds in doing this, you&#x27;ve struck gold). Returning to Meadows&#x27; work, one challenge we&#x27;re all facing are decreasing margins -- there was much more room for error in the 1950s - 1970s, it&#x27;s vastly thinner now.<p>- I&#x27;ve had some experience working with children, and one of my observations was that giving them a fair amount of latitude, but very clear boundaries, seemed to maximize engagement, learning, independence, <i>and</i> discipline. The first time I really had to crack the whip I was amazed at how little chastisement went a long way (it was an effort not to slip while delivering my lecture). And it served to establish boundaries.<p>&quot;Fair but firm&quot; is what guides me. It doesn&#x27;t work always, but it&#x27;s a pretty good start.
VeejayRampayover 11 years ago
Sorry to be so negative but what a moronic article.
AnthonBergover 11 years ago
Stimulation stimulates!