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What happens when you sit at a desk for 13 years and also exercise

348 pointsby deanproxyover 11 years ago

47 comments

awjrover 11 years ago
I would strongly suggest anyone looking at this and saying they don&#x27;t have the time to invest in this to also consider the mental benefits that exercise brings.<p>I don&#x27;t feel I have time (which I know is wrong) and I particularly do not like gyms, but I cycle to work (2 miles) and on the way home I&#x27;ll take a detour and add an extra 5-10 miles to my trip home. It clears the cobwebs. Cycling can be very meditative as well.<p>I am extremely lucky to be living in a place that allows me to do this on car free routes (Bath-&gt;Bristol cycle path and the Two Tunnels Circuit).<p>If you live within 12 miles (and potentially up to 20 miles) of where you work (about an hour of easy riding), you should consider &#x27;building&#x27; exercise into your commute. Even if it&#x27;s twice a week to begin with. Be crazy and park your car 5 miles from work and cycle in from there and build it up.<p>FYI before starting this I weighed about 310lb and have got myself down to 275lb within a year without focusing too much on what I eat.
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peterwwillisover 11 years ago
My humble advice: Don&#x27;t be an armchair health &amp; fitness expert. Read up on it for intellectual stimulation, but don&#x27;t expect to learn any magical secrets to being in shape or healthy. All the magical secrets have been known for a long time, and they&#x27;re really, really boring.<p>You should do whatever makes you happy [within reason]. You should probably not drink 10 sodas and 5 bags of chips a day. But if you feel like having one, fuck it, life is short. If you feel like standing at your desk, go to town! Don&#x27;t expect it to fix your problems. Just enjoy yourself.<p>If you feel like lifting weights, do that too, but if you don&#x27;t feel like it, ..... you get the picture. Be active, be healthy-ish, but in terms that you can enjoy in life. Some people like dancing. Some people like running. Some people like kicking the shit out of a heavy bag. That&#x27;s the only real secret to health &amp; fitness: learning to enjoy it and be happy.<p>(Personally, the only thing that made me adopt an active lifestyle was group exercise. Now that i&#x27;m more used to the routines I work out by myself or do sports. But if you find yourself having trouble getting started, try signing up for a group class with people who seem nice and a good instructor)
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Amadouover 11 years ago
I once knew a guy who thought he could eat as much junk food as he wanted as long as he made up for it with &quot;super-foods&quot; (moringa MLM scam actually).<p>Regular workouts don&#x27;t decrease death risk if you&#x27;re also a couch potato -- <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38385104/ns/health-fitness/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;id&#x2F;38385104&#x2F;ns&#x2F;health-fitness&#x2F;</a><p>People who sit for most of the day are 54 percent more likely to die of heart attacks -- <a href="http://health.yahoo.net/experts/menshealth/most-dangerous-thing-youll-do-all-day" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;health.yahoo.net&#x2F;experts&#x2F;menshealth&#x2F;most-dangerous-th...</a><p>Sitting shuts down the circulation of a fat-absorbing enzyme called lipase -- <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2008/0610-stand_up_for_your_health.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedaily.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;2008&#x2F;0610-stand_up_for_yo...</a>
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crazygringoover 11 years ago
For anyone interested... if you want good posture, if you want to really be in shape, there are a million fads out there, but the best book by far is &quot;Starting Strength&quot; [1]. (It&#x27;s also one of the best-selling on Amazon.)<p>It essentially focuses on just the squat, deadlift, press, bench press, and (later) power clean, devoting around <i>forty pages to each</i>, and explains why you really don&#x27;t need much else. They&#x27;re quite difficult to get right, but the incredibly in-depth explanations will especially appeal to programmers who like understanding how things work.<p>I say this just because the book completely changed the way I approach the gym, and it mirrors what the article author says about the exercises he used.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Starting-Strength-3rd-Mark-Rippetoe/dp/0982522738/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Starting-Strength-3rd-Mark-Rippetoe&#x2F;dp...</a>
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stiffover 11 years ago
What is missing in the discussion of this and the previous article is some reflection on physiology and why could prolonged sitting possibly be bad for you in the first place. One must know that that there are many processes in the human body that can only be executed efficiently when we move, like for example transfer of lymph or movement of digested food through the intestines (involuntary smooth muscle contractions are also involved in both processes but skeletal muscle contractions make it much more effective). Problems with the gastrointestinal tract, like not visiting the toilet often enough, have been linked to a great amount of diseases, so this is something to be concerned about.<p>Hence doing sports after 8 hours of sitting will not necessarily counterbalance all the negative effects involved. I am not so sure working standing would be better, either. I think a good practical recommendation that is great in many aspects is to take a short break every 2 hours or so and get just 5 minutes of exercise done, just enough to get the heart beating a bit faster and the blood circulating, it can be just basic stretching or isometric contractions, whatever you are able to easily execute in your office environment. It makes the work day much more productive, too.
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mc_over 11 years ago
I&#x27;ll recommend Dan John&#x27;s book &quot;Intervention&quot; because I think his approach to fitness for individuals covers a good chunk of the HN crowd.<p>Personally, I have always been active and fit, but the reality of getting older and being part of a startup have made me fine-tune my regiment. I&#x27;d never been a gym rat, but having the time in school to spend 1.5-2 hours preparing for my sports seems ever the luxury today. Since the New Year (and the purchase of a road bike), I&#x27;ve been following a pretty consistent routine of biking to work (ranges between 4 and 6 km depending on the route I take), lifting at the gym for 30-45 minutes, and attending yoga classes at least twice weekly (one weekday evening class and one weekend morning class typically). I also play in a men&#x27;s basketball league one night a week for most of the year. This provides the core of my activity; I can usually be found hiking, surfing, playing pickup soccer or basketball, and pretty much anything else active at various points too (which the core work supports and enhances).<p>My gym sessions consist of 20 minutes of mobility exercises, moving all the joints in all the ranges of motion they should enjoy, followed by a focused &quot;workout&quot;, usually 10-15 minutes long. They are almost exclusively full body movements, sometimes done with low reps and heavy weight (such as double kettlebell clean and jerks, 4 sets of 5), sometimes complexes (such as 4 sets of (3-5 pull ups then 10-15 pushups)), and sometimes Crossfit-style workouts (5 burpees, 10 kettlebell snatch (5 per arm), 15 mountain climbers, and 20 kettlebell swings (10 per arm); repeat until you can&#x27;t).<p>For my training, I have three simple steps (stolen from Dan John): 1. Do Something 2. Adjust 3. Perfect<p>Anyway, that&#x27;s my me-too to add to the OP.
oyvindehover 11 years ago
Recently, there was an article in New Scientist about this[1]. Basically, if you sit for more than 6 hours a day, one hour of exercise a day doesn&#x27;t undo the damage.<p>The solution is to get up and move around often, i.e. every ~20 minutes or so.<p>Exercise is still good even if you stand&#x2F;move around often. And standing all day also has its problems, like others have mentioned.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829233.200-dont-take-life-sitting-down.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newscientist.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;mg21829233.200-dont-take...</a><p>(edit: wording)
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omn1over 11 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure about that. This guy has gone through some extremes. First he was standing 8 hours a day, no workout. Then he was sitting 12 hours a day, no workout. Then he got into bodybuilding using lots of machines which made him gain lots of muscles and finally he scales back to something I would call &quot;normal&quot;: a healthy workout of 30min per day but... with some no-training gaps in between which can be several months long? I&#x27;m glad that he found his own routine but why did it take him so many years of going through extremes and now he&#x27;s advertising his method like the only truth but still not sticking to the basics like eating healthy?
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taber1over 11 years ago
One case = anecdote. There is actually some evidence that you can&#x27;t counteract the effects of sitting with exercise, unless you exercise more than you sit. And what exactly does &quot;I&#x27;m healthy&quot; mean? Is that what the doctor says after doing some test or is it just how you feel? What would be the status of your health (as measured by tests from a doctor) if you had an active job and some moderate exercise for the same period of 13 years?<p>source: <a href="http://m.runnersworld.com/health/sitting-is-the-new-smoking-even-for-runners" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.runnersworld.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;sitting-is-the-new-smoking-...</a>
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benatkinover 11 years ago
If you use a standing desk 20+ hours a week, you aren&#x27;t sedentary. People who are stuck being sedentary won&#x27;t be able to move to using a standing desk unless they stop being sedentary. There&#x27;s a big gap between being sedentary and getting proper exercise.<p>Sitting allows people to spend a lot of time moving very little, in addition to time spent sleeping. Standing involves a fair amount of effort.<p>Just because using a standing desk often is a sure way for a person to not be sedentary doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s the best idea. In fact the most sedentary people are probably going to have a hard time adapting to using a standing desk full-time.
tootieover 11 years ago
When I worked in a &quot;war room&quot; one of the guys got us on a pushup routine. 2-3 times a day everyone stops what they&#x27;re doing and does pushups. Start with as many as you can do (even if it&#x27;s 5) and just do it a few times a day and you&#x27;ll build up strength really quick. The guy who started it was about 40 and pretty heavy. We had two mid-30s moms in our room who got in on it and worked up to 20 pushups (from their feet, not knees) in a few weeks. Sadly, the band broke up after a while and moved to different areas, but it was pretty awesome while it lasted.
aaron695over 11 years ago
OK people it&#x27;s pretty simple.<p>The scientific evidence is you can not undo the damage from sitting extended periods by exercise or anything else known.<p>Current scientific evidence is you can only not sit.<p>Like all things there is some science that says hey maybe it&#x27;s not true but the trend is going towards not sitting.
nwhover 11 years ago
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phausover 11 years ago
The author seems to miss the facts that spurred the trend for standing desks in the first place. Whether you exercise or not, sitting down all day dramatically increases your chances of dying from heart disease.<p><a href="http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sitting/AN02082" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mayoclinic.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;sitting&#x2F;AN02082</a>
jarjouraover 11 years ago
100% agree.<p>Also a perk of living in a city (such as San Francisco) is I can walk EVERYWHERE, including work and I do. Like the OP, walking to and from work and hitting the gym most days has vastly improved my quality of life and it doesn&#x27;t even take away from much of my evening.<p>If you need something to get you motivated, grab a Fitbit tracker and&#x2F;or scale and track yourself. It&#x27;ll only work in the beginning, but if you use that to your advantage to get out of your lazy slump, it should carry you forward.
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abcd_fover 11 years ago
It&#x27;s better to be rich and healthy than sick and poor.<p>Obviously if you exercise it doesn&#x27;t really matter if you sit or stand at work. The question is how to handle the case when you can&#x27;t&#x2F;won&#x27;t exercise and still need to work.
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danboarderover 11 years ago
My work focus and overall health have really improved since I started running.<p>I started running casually a few years ago but began to notice a real difference when I began training for a half-marathon with a local team. The training only required a couple half-hour runs during the week and a longer run with the group on Saturday mornings. Having a goal to run a real race and support of team runs motivated me to follow through and I lost about 40lbs over the course of training. Since then I have run the full LA Marathon and in a couple of months I will be running the Chicago Marathon, and I can honestly say I&#x27;m in the best shape of my life. I never was a runner before but I can say I am one now.<p>It&#x27;s not the running itself though, I think it&#x27;s having a training goal and a team that supports you that can make it work. (btw my training group is Team World Vision, which has groups around the USA that run for causes). I would suggest the same result can come from biking, Crossfit, or other workout program where you have a clear goal and a group that supports your effort.
mironathetinover 11 years ago
I agree that software development as a job works only, if you exercise regularly. During the last 15 years, I swim regularly, twice a week, usually 2km freestyle. And I run once a week, 12 km. I do this with my wife and we do it before work. We always insisted to get the time in the morning. In summer, when the outdoor pools are open, we swim outside, although the pools open only at 9 am. We aren&#x27;t at our desk before 10:30 in that case (once or twice a week). I won&#x27;t accept a work that doesn&#x27;t give me this freedom.<p>In the evening, the kids are at home and we cannot leave. And all the lazy office guys drift in the pool and this is annoying, if you want to swim.<p>I am 48 now and have zero health issues. No back problems, no blood pressure problems, not an ounce overweight. Same with my wife.<p>I can only whole-heartedly encourage everyone to do the same. It sets a standard for software developers and life is so much more enjoyable.
noelwelshover 11 years ago
Gotta agree with this article. A standing desk has such a minor effect compared to actually doing vigorous exercise.
tofofover 11 years ago
What happens when you sit at a desk and your server melts in 57 minutes?
roinover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m glad that the author is having a good experience with his sit all day and frequently exercise plan. But his conclusion that standing desks provide very little benefit to your overall health is based on his sample size of one, never actually using a standing desk, and then extrapolating that &quot;result&quot; to the rest of the human race.<p>The only useful conclusion in this post has nothing to do with standing desks. It is simply that exercise will help you feel good and improve your health.
austinzover 11 years ago
&quot;Sitting at desk considered harmful considered harmful&quot;? To be fair, I haven&#x27;t seen any standing desk articles claiming that standing is some sort of magical panacea that can fully substitute for conventional exercise and a healthy diet, although I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s at least one out there.
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leothekimover 11 years ago
Moving to a standing desk is not &quot;futile&quot;. For myself, a standing desk prevents me from reinjuring my lower back and potentially missing out on a couple days of work due to back spasms. Others use it to help them with repetitive stress injury.<p>And how did I injure my back? Exercising with too much weights at the gym!
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mooover 11 years ago
I think a previous HN article of a 10 minute routine of body weight exercises is a better program for many than a weight lifting routine for cardio and maintaining body weight. I think body weight exercises are often overlooked. Pullups, situps, pushups, pistol squats. Also add a jump rope for little weight, portability, and requires little space. I don&#x27;t see too many fat runners, gymnasts, or cyclists. Power lifters, Olympic weight lifters often have a lot of fat with muscle. I like a pyramid type routine of starting with 1 pullup, 2 pushups, 3 situps, and repeat doing multiples ( ie then 2 pullups, 4 pushups, 6 situps, ...). For jumping rope remember to alternate the weight bearing foot like a boxer, jumping with both feet together takes more energy and I find lactic acid builds up faster.
scotty79over 11 years ago
What happens if I already have a scoliosis and I spend 15 years or so siting at desk for 12 or more hours a day and I don&#x27;t exercise?<p>Absolutely nothing. Provided that I eat appropriately to my activity and my chairs are always somewhat uncomfortable.<p>But if I spend a year working from chair as deeply reclined and comfortable (and position fixing) as this one: <a href="http://www.healthyback.com/products/Humantouch/Pc095-perfect-chair-electric-recliner/174" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.healthyback.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;Humantouch&#x2F;Pc095-perfect...</a> I get back pains because small muscles around my spine get weak and can be overstretched and damaged when I lift a fridge or something or just twist rapidly in some unusual direction.
dtfover 11 years ago
My winter workout: pomodoro technique + no heating + pull-up bar. Work 25 minutes. Now you&#x27;re so cold your fingers are about to drop off. Do push-ups until warm again. Work another 25 minutes. Now do pull-ups. Repeat..
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ulisesrmzrocheover 11 years ago
I like to train in mixed martial arts. Judo&#x2F;Boxing&#x2F;BJJ&#x2F;etc. It&#x27;s a good way to get in shape that also offers a steep intellectual and physical challenge. At least, they&#x27;re both similar in that people usually compliment each other on how much technique they have.<p>I&#x27;ve noticed a correlation with programmers that train. The crazier the languages they like the better grapplers they are, yet DevOps types lean toward striking. Don&#x27;t think it makes any sense though.
zwiebackover 11 years ago
Enjoyed reading this - I didn&#x27;t expect that anyone could be serious about the art and craft of window tinting!<p>However, deanproxy seems like the kind of guy who can tackle anything and throw in a few ounces of obsession to make it work. For the regular Joe standing desks might just be the one tiny thing they can do. They&#x27;ve become super popular at cubicleland here at HP and our facilities people will come and set them up for free.
martiover 11 years ago
Between the two &#x27;extremes&#x27; of standing and sitting, there&#x27;s also the saddle chair [1]. I&#x27;ve used one at home for over a year now, but only up to a few hours a day, so can&#x27;t really tell how much it has affected my posture in addition to regular exercise.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddle_chair" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Saddle_chair</a>
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uberstuberover 11 years ago
If you sit all day the couch stretch [1] helps a lot to undo the shortening in your hip flexors. 2 min a day each side. Really painful if you sit a lot.<p>Kelly Starrett has a lot of great information about mobility.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=-ZX1QMTdAC4#t=126" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=-ZX...</a>
Fizzadarover 11 years ago
Couldn&#x27;t agree more with the standing desks - no doubt they bring some improvement, but they do seem more like the &#x27;in-thing&#x27; and &#x27;hip&#x27; rather than genuinely life changing. As it always has been, regular (even if short) exercise sessions are a key part in healthy living.
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codersteveover 11 years ago
For those of you that are interested, you might want to look up &quot;Convict Conditioning&quot;.<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Convict-Conditioning-Weakness-Using-Survival-Strength/dp/0938045768" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Convict-Conditioning-Weakness-Using-Su...</a>
plgover 11 years ago
Swimming is awesome. The overhead can be significant (finding a pool with lap swim hours amenable to your schedule) but the equipment cost is minimal ($20 speedo) and it&#x27;s amazing exercise. I also find the time in the water to be a soothing break from the outside world.
biggfootover 11 years ago
The only reason people don&#x27;t exercise is because they don&#x27;t. I don&#x27;t know of a genuine reason to not be able to spare 20 minutes a day. If you can do nothing else, run for 10 minutes and do 50 push ups, that&#x27;s all it takes.
parasightover 11 years ago
Too much of anything is usually bad for health. You can even exercise too much. So I don&#x27;t think standing all day is the best solution. With adjustable desks it is pretty easy to alternate your working position during the day.
TureMasingover 11 years ago
COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS DISCUSSION BELOW. Spare yourself 76 more or less useless comments and STOP HERE.<p>You sit. That&#x27;s it. There is almost nothing you can do about it. It&#x27;s called work. Anyway, it&#x27;s NOT dangerous.<p>Get a coffee, go to the men&#x27;s room, get lunch, stand for a while, go to the silent reading room... That&#x27;s automatic and stops you from being seated more than an hour at a stretch.<p>Add 30 minutes of walking every day (7 minutes to the office, 7 minutes home, 7 minutes to get lunch, 7 minutes to get back and then maybe to and from a meeting) and you should be OK as long as you don&#x27;t stuff yourself with cheeseburgers and fries everyday.<p>If you on top of that add 4 hours of weight lifting (actually 1 hour lifting and 3 hours resting) you can get extremely fit; Gladiator contender or Fear factor kind of fit. Like I am.<p>Also, don&#x27;t forget intermittent fasting everyday 16:8-style.
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holriover 11 years ago
3 x 1h exercises a week during 50 years is approx. a year lifetime. It is likely that if you do this you add more than one healthy year to your lifetime. Therefore exercises are saving life time.
therealunrealover 11 years ago
... Your site goes down?
scotty79over 11 years ago
Standing, sitting. It&#x27;s all so tiring. Why we don&#x27;t have chairs in which you could float submerged in pen of small balls that have similar density as your body?
aimattover 11 years ago
What happens if you stand at a standing desk <i>and</i> exercise? It&#x27;s going well for me. $10 in lumber to convert my normal sitting desk.
mathoover 11 years ago
I would guess the author already knows this, but kayaking is strongly associated with shoulder injuries&#x2F;dislocations. Be careful, dude!
ds_over 11 years ago
Why not do both?
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gonzoover 11 years ago
This is why I installed a gym at work.
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mehulkarover 11 years ago
increase the dynos!
ShinyObjectover 11 years ago
I agree with the points he makes and have had a similar experience. I have worked desk jobs with minimal movement for the last 10 years and getting into resistance training plus cardio has made a huge difference in the amount of energy I have, mood, posture, etc.<p>One statement I take issue with is this line &quot;I put on 40 pounds of muscle one year alone...&quot;. This is essentially impossible barring a malfunctioning thyroid. I don&#x27;t doubt that he put on 40 pounds of weight in a year but I can guarantee it wasn&#x27;t all muscle. If you are 17-20 and finishing up puberty, using anabolic steroids, working out incredibly hard 5-6 days per week, and eating 4000+ calories per day every day _maybe_ you could put on 30 pounds of muscle in a year. If you are in your late 20s early 30s as he was, not using steroids (I assume), and working out hard your max muscle gain in a year might be around 20lbs. For a normal 30 year old working out 3x a week it&#x27;s closer to 12-15lbs&#x2F;year after newbie-gains have ended. I say this not to discourage but rather to give people realistic expectations, I believe the most common reason people fail at exercise is they are overly ambitious and burn out quickly when they don&#x27;t look like Hulk overnight.<p>If someone was looking for a good starting point for fitness I recommend scooby1961 on youtube, he has been around a long time and has a ton of videos on fitness and nutrition aimed at newbies, and takes the perspective of an engineer looking at the body as a machine.<p>As someone who has been into this for a while my advice would be:<p>1. Start small and ramp up, if you do nothing currently start with walking 20 minutes per day.<p>2. Do not spend a bunch of money on fancy equipment, like all hobbies until you get deeper into the game you won&#x27;t even know what you should get.<p>3. Avoid injury, esp your lower back and shoulders. The best way to do this is perfect form. Always have perfect form, cheating with bad form to get one extra rep is only cheating yourself, the goal is to work the muscle to failure, not hit some number.<p>4. If you want to do a home gym you can work 95% of your muscle groups with dumbbells, a barbell, and a pullup bar. The only thing you cannot work out well with these is your quads. For that you need a leg press machine or a squat cage (ie: a gym).<p>5. Most suppliments are unproven snake oil that waste your money at best, and at worst destroy your kidneys&#x2F;liver or give you heavy metal poisoning. The only supplements I consider proven effective with minimal side-effects are caffeine (pre-workout) and creatine. I will not recommend any brands but look for ones that are quality tested by independent labs (like USP).<p>6. Cardio with resistance (weights) is best, but if you only have time for one make it cardio. This is more important for your long term health.<p>7. Sticking to a routine is not about will-power, it&#x27;s about habits. The first time you work out with weights it&#x27;s intimidating as hell and you feel like a bumbling idiot, you do that 2 or 3 times a week for a few weeks and it feels like a chore, you do it for a year and it happens on auto pilot, you don&#x27;t even think about it.
zacharycohnover 11 years ago
n of 1 != proof.
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Dewieover 11 years ago
&gt; To me, this has always seemed a bit futile as well as overkill. You&#x27;re still sedentary. You&#x27;re providing very little benefit to your overall well being and it&#x27;s simply yet another way that people are trying to get something for nothing when it comes to health . I&#x27;ve read a lot of the examples of it&#x27;s positive effects. I&#x27;ve read a lot of the raving reviews of people that do this, but I ultimately come to the same conclusion every time I read this stuff... exercise a little bit every day. It&#x27;s healthier than standing all day, it&#x27;s free, doesn&#x27;t require expensive furniture, doesn&#x27;t require you to beg your boss for something expensive and it&#x27;s something you should be doing anyway.<p>I&#x27;m tired of this type of condescension. I guess because the author writes to a community of programmers, or nerds, or whatever, he feels that he can address them as if they are all sloths. I have not had the impression in the overall debate about this standing&#x2F;sitting business that people are saying that they are going over to a standing desk in order to <i>not</i> exercise. One can perfectly well imagine that the people that are going over to a standing desk because they think that it brings benefits that are a good complement to an overall healthy lifestyle, like eating and exercising properly (I notice that you say that you don&#x27;t eat healthily, deanproxy... does this mean that you willingly do this because you think that an exercise routine can fully compensate for a bad diet...?). If someone vows to try to have better posture in their everyday life, does that mean that they think that it is a replacement for something like a good exercise routing for the back muscles? No. So this is standing&#x2F;sitting contra exercising is a false dichotomy.<p>In fact, this whole standing&#x2F;sitting discussion was partly propelled by studies that showed that sitting a lot was bad for ones health, <i>also for active people</i> [0] :<p>&gt; <i></i>Even when adults meet physical activity guidelines, sitting for prolonged periods can compromise metabolic health. <i></i><p>To turn deanproxy&#x27;s baseless condescenscion towards &quot;standers&quot; and their supposed lazyness on its head: deanproxy is simply trying to rationalize his sedentary habits by asserting that having discrete blocks of activity time during the day counteracts his sedentary existence for the rest of the day.<p>To get the whole picture and in order to be in a position to assert that standing is inconsequential, deanproxy should also have experience with a lifestyle in which he exercises and stands&#x2F;walks&#x2F;is somewhat active in his day job. But it does not seem that he does. Perhaps not too surprising when his whole argument rests on standing CONTRA exercising in your free time. And what all of this shows is that the zealots (imaginary or not) who vow to NOT exercise BECAUSE they stand during their day jobs are leading an inferior lifestyle because deanproxy exercises and is able to do WITHOUT standing (and eating healthily... ). So deanproxy can claim victory here, the victory of being an exercise-zealot over the standing-zealots.<p>[0] <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404815/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3404815&#x2F;</a>