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IsTumblrDown hit with a Cease & Desist

172 pointsby zachinglisover 11 years ago

19 comments

etfbover 11 years ago
It&#x27;s worth posting this to the Chilling Effects Clearinghouse at <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chillingeffects.org&#x2F;</a> (go to <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/input.cgi" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chillingeffects.org&#x2F;input.cgi</a> to submit). They&#x27;re run by the EFF, so they are indisputably The Good Guys.
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jfarmerover 11 years ago
IANAL, only an entrepreneur, but this should surprise no one even passingly familiar with trademark law. Failure to enforce your trademark&#x27;s registration can expose you to claims that your mark is no longer &quot;in use.&quot; Sure, this guy might be 100% innocent, but it won&#x27;t matter when someone less innocent comes along and uses the fact Tumblr didn&#x27;t enforce their trademark against this other guy to be annoying.<p>It&#x27;s easier to just shoot an email to your attorneys and have send a C&amp;D than it is to enter into a more protracted, <i>ad hoc</i> conversation. It costs virtually nothing to do this. Some associate at the firm types it up using one of a bajillion templates, sends it out with a partner&#x27;s name attached, and bills the client for &lt;30 minutes worth of time.<p>You, too, can hire an attorney and pay them a few hundred dollars to reply! Or you can try replying yourself.<p>C&amp;Ds are not legally binding, of course, and the recipient can choose to comply, respond, or ignore as they see fit. Because of how trademark law works I wouldn&#x27;t recommend &quot;ignoring&quot; since the complaining party is pretty much obligated to escalate matters.<p>For example, a friend of mine created a parody website of a world-famous newspaper and predictably received a C&amp;D. This was more than just the trademark: it repurposed content, used the same typefaces, mimicked the same layout, etc. They agreed to let him use it after he replied and agreed to include a prominent disclaimer up top stating that &quot;&lt;Newspaper&gt; trademarks used with permission of &lt;Newspaper Corporation&gt;&quot; and explaining that this was a parody.<p>I don&#x27;t know if the OP tried to do this, but I will say turning to the &quot;court of public opinion&quot; as a first course of action makes this outcome somewhere between incredibly unlikely to impossible.<p>Tumblr isn&#x27;t trying to be evil -- you&#x27;re using <i>their</i> name, after all -- they&#x27;re just trying to take care of it in the most time-efficient manner possible. The #1 most time-efficient manner is sending a C&amp;D. For folks whose infringements are minor and inconsequential, it&#x27;s likely that the #2 most time-efficient manner is to let them use the name in the domain with a prominent disclaimer and an explicit, albeit revokable, license.
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CodeCubeover 11 years ago
Looks like this was a quick semi-joke website. If Tumblr didn&#x27;t like what message it sent (which is understandable) ... they could have started with a simple email to the guy. Heck, they probably could have just asked him to change the messages so that it was slightly less snarky. If he didn&#x27;t want to play ball, then sure ... C&amp;D away. But what happened to plain old being nice?
tazzy531over 11 years ago
Now&#x27;s my chance to start <a href="http://isIsTumblerDownDown.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;isIsTumblerDownDown.com</a>
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ballardover 11 years ago
Alternatives:<p><a href="http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tumblr.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com&#x2F;tumblr.com</a><p><a href="http://downrightnow.com/tumblr" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;downrightnow.com&#x2F;tumblr</a>
hawkharrisover 11 years ago
I sympathize with the author and his concerns about Tumblr&#x27;s disregard for its users.<p>Having said that, companies have a legal responsibility to take &quot;all steps necessary&quot; to protect their trademarks. Unfortunately, this responsibility sometimes requires them to engage in seemingly nit-picky litigation.<p>An excerpt from chillingeffects.org [1]: <i>If a trademark owner fails to police his or her mark, the owner may be deemed to have abandoned the mark or acquiesced in its misuse. A trademark is only protected while it serves to identify the source of goods or services.</i><p>I&#x27;m not saying that IsTumblrDown had negative intentions or that it blatantly obscured Tumblr&#x27;s brand; I never had a chance to use the site, so I didn&#x27;t see how the name was incorporated into it. I&#x27;m just saying that firms like Tumblr are sometimes under external pressure to be aggressive in enforcing their trademarks.<p>[1] <a href="http://chillingeffects.org/trademark/faq.cgi#QID418" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chillingeffects.org&#x2F;trademark&#x2F;faq.cgi#QID418</a>
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zachinglisover 11 years ago
They&#x27;ve sent a retraction: <a href="http://istumblrdown.com/retraction/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;istumblrdown.com&#x2F;retraction&#x2F;</a>
antiterraover 11 years ago
Could you link us to a copy of the C&amp;D?
pbreitover 11 years ago
&gt; Failure to enforce your trademark&#x27;s registration can expose you to claims that your mark is no longer &quot;in use.&quot;<p>Is that actually true? Has such a thing ever really happened in a situation like this?
maxmcdover 11 years ago
The site was more opinionated than your typical &quot;isup.me&quot; style site, so while I can&#x27;t justify the C&amp;D I can at least understand the motivation a little bit more.
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elliottcarlsonover 11 years ago
Missing E&#x27;s warning is to indicate that using a third party plugin to alter the sites behavior - which is constantly being improved and worked on - could have negative effects. If something breaks due to Missing E not working with an update that gets pushed out, then disable Missing E. Check the first page of the Missing E blog, and almost every post is regarding an update due to Missing E breaking in some way due to incompatibility. Seems pretty straight forward to me?
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NelsonMinarover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m curious what legal justification someone would think they have for preventing a site like IsTumbrDown from operating.
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locengover 11 years ago
I wonder if this is a case of them requiring by law to defend their trademark, though then I wonder why they can&#x27;t just license it for $1 per year for the exact use currently being used - so you can&#x27;t then just go get a license and change everything to be different..
mdisraeliover 11 years ago
Having yet to see the C&amp;D, the mostly likely reason for this would be utterly boring but entirely rational trademark enforcement&#x2F;infringement. Odds are, a human only signed the letter without so much as reading it or asking anyone in management for a second opinion.
atoponceover 11 years ago
Alternative: run your own Smokeping server, as I am here (give it some time to populate the data):<p><a href="http://zen.ae7.st/smokeping/?target=Internet.Tumblr" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zen.ae7.st&#x2F;smokeping&#x2F;?target=Internet.Tumblr</a>
mshover 11 years ago
Maybe time to register isTumblrEvil.com<p>I now need to consider where to move my tumblr blog.
zachinglisover 11 years ago
Updated with the letter as people requested.
sarrephover 11 years ago
What a shame... What are they doing?
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sluu99over 11 years ago
&quot;its,&quot; not &quot;it&#x27;s&quot;