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Microsoft Retiring Master Certifications And Training

63 pointsby mkoble11over 11 years ago

7 comments

BrentOzarover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m a Microsoft Certified Master myself (of SQL Server) so I&#x27;ll explain a little about what&#x27;s got everybody up in arms.<p>When you do enterprise admin work, you often can&#x27;t share that work publicly. It&#x27;s not like someone can look at my DBA.StackExchange profile and see the deployments I&#x27;ve done for StackExchange, AllRecipes, Discovery, etc. The MCM was Microsoft&#x27;s highest technical certification that gauged your sysadmin skills, so that work you&#x27;ve done for high end enterprise systems pays off here. When other high end companies came to call, I could say, &quot;I&#x27;m an MCM. There&#x27;s only a couple hundred of us worldwide, and most of them work for Microsoft as consultants - I&#x27;m one of the few independents.&quot; Combine that with references, and it&#x27;s just easier to get doors opened.<p>Of course, it only makes sense if the certification is actually hard - and hoowee, was it hard. Originally, it involved spending 6 weeks onsite at Microsoft undergoing a series of tests, culminating in a monster 6-hour hands-on lab test. It was the toughest 6 hours of my life, and I&#x27;ve gone through some pretty tough outages. There were no braindumps that could get you past the MCM (unlike the near-worthless MCITP exams.)<p>Unfortunately, the MCM was too hard to achieve for most folks, and they couldn&#x27;t get the market adoption they wanted. It&#x27;s really expensive to write and administer these kinds of high-end tests, and Microsoft was faced with updating the tests faster and faster due to the faster release cycles coming out on the software side. Worse, they wanted the Master certification to cover not just on-premise software, but cloud services as well, so you had to test Master-level skills across both - but the cloud services changed constantly. (Heck, the MCITP-level tests for Windows Azure SQL Database still has the wrong marketing brand name on it even today.)<p>Just ended up being too expensive for them to manage in the face of limited adoption.<p>The current MCMs are bummed because it cost us a ton of money and time to get certified, and we never saw significant benefits from the program. The best resource was the mailing list. (I&#x27;m not bummed because the cert has paid off the initial investment for me, even though I put out something like $25k total out of pocket.)<p>People who are currently working on their MCMs are bummed out because they&#x27;ve invested a lot of money and time (in some cases, international flights &amp; hotels) and they won&#x27;t finish in time.
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mkoble11over 11 years ago
<i>The IT industry is changing rapidly and we will continue to evaluate the certification and training needs of the industry to determine if there&#x27;s a different certification needed for the pinnacle of our program.</i><p>Some of the thoughts&#x2F;comments on Twitter towards this decision by Microsoft is based on the move towards the cloud. What are your thoughts, HN?<p>On another note: I respect anyone who&#x27;s gone through the rigorous MCM process, but my next thoughts have to do more with certification in general.<p>Let&#x27;s take software development for example. Microsoft has developer based certifications. Is the certification more for HR who doesn&#x27;t understand how to evaluate someone&#x27;s github account?<p>It&#x27;s frustrating that corporations continually reinforce this notion that a piece of paper is more important than work product....which in turn creates more hamsters running inside the wheel instead of finding ways to break out of the cage.<p>That&#x27;s why I&#x27;m thankful every day for the amazing HN community.
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basicallydanover 11 years ago
I know only one thing about what is actually involved in getting these various certificates, and it&#x27;s that there are a lot of big, thick books with vague titles.<p>What I do know is that the whole concept of having qualifications which are closely linked to the proprietary technologies of a specific business has always urked me, so I feel like this is probably a positive step for the industry as a whole.
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skerover 11 years ago
Note that they are only retiring two types of certifications. There&#x27;s still a plethora of MCTS certifications. I got one when I was fresh out of college and I have never made use of it. I don&#x27;t even know what companies look out for these things.
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bsg75over 11 years ago
I have never met a good, _experienced_ MS developer or admin who lacked a certification and it negatively affected their ability or image.<p>I have met plenty people who held certifications whom I would not trust on any of my production systems, and where it was apparent their time would have been better spent gaining experience, not test scores.<p>These &quot;Master&quot; certs were time consuming and expensive, no? As they are backed by a sales based entity (as with most IT certifications) if the revenue did not support the program, it gets canned.
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pearjuiceover 11 years ago
&gt; It&#x27;s frustrating that corporations continually reinforce this notion that a piece of paper is more important than work product....which in turn creates more hamsters running inside the wheel instead of finding ways to break out of the cage.<p>This so much. I have found the door of the cage years ago yet I jumped in the wheel after a while (started CS) because that is the only thing which will give you a reward at the end of day. Employers should really, really reconsider the value of what you have actually done instead of basing your qualifications on an artificially valued piece of paper.
dmouratiover 11 years ago
If MCSE stands for Must Consult Someone Else, what did MCM&#x2F;MCSM stand for? I kid, I kid.
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