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Markdown is the Future of Writing

40 pointsby vinhnxover 11 years ago

19 comments

chappi42over 11 years ago
Markdown is a mess. Gruber refuses to take care and now there are a ton of slightly different dialects because the original draft is clearly lacking in some respects.<p>Just last week wanted to use GFM, they introduced a new newline style. Or maybe not? In gollum it doesn&#x27;t seem to be working and then there are breaking lines with two spaces. Or not? It&#x27;s a desaster.<p>Some group should take over the markdown format definition.
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jmdukeover 11 years ago
The easiest counterargument possible:<p>Good writing doesn&#x27;t need syntax. Sinclair and Joyce and Fitzgerald and Twain didn&#x27;t need italics or heading tags: just like structuring a post as a list is a sign of structural weakness, designating something with a header tag is admitting defeat, is admitting &quot;Hey, look at this, this means something is happening over here.&quot;<p>(I love Markdown, and use it daily.)
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eksithover 11 years ago
The key takeaway : &quot;Markdown lets you think about what you’re writing instead of how it looks&quot;... which is arguably a bit difficult when you&#x27;re manipulating raw HTML and a bit... detached on WISIWYG.<p>Markdown allows sophisticated ideas to fall into text with a very simple syntax. I don&#x27;t know of any other system that allows this except just plain text.<p>Edit: Hmm... looks like agreeing with the article isn&#x27;t popular for some reason.
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Roboprogover 11 years ago
Yet, somehow all the WYSIWIG editors beat out nroff and WordPerfect.<p>Personally, the trick to writing with a word processor is to not waste <i>too</i> much time on the formatting, and just write. Also, learn to use the &quot;sytles&quot;, just like you use CSS in an HTML file. I first learned to do significant writing in a WYSIWIG editor using Samna&#x2F;Lotus Ami (accent on the i). Then Word, then Open&#x2F;Libre Office. All of these have style lists. Use them! Don&#x27;t waste time clicking on all the fonts, sizes, spacing, etc block after block.<p>The &quot;Styles&quot; menu seems to be one of the best kept secrets in Word and similar word processors.
brianbernsover 11 years ago
Markdown seems to be part of the retro&#x2F;hipster trend, along with flat UIs, 8-bit video game music, fixie bikes, and Pabst beer. As someone who actually lived through the 1980s, it&#x27;s amusing to watch you young cats reinvent my youth.<p>I&#x27;m not saying Markdown is a bad idea, but I&#x27;m perfectly happy using the rich UI provided by a word processor when I write. Next thing you know, someone will claim that 80 characters max per line was a great idea, and there will be a little iPhone app that rings a bell when you get to column 75 so you can hit the carriage return in time. Non-skeuomorphically, of course.
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voyouover 11 years ago
The paucity of imagination in this post is depressing. Markdown isn&#x27;t the future, it&#x27;s the past. I mean that literally - markdown is a formalization of a set of kludges to approximate formatting when using the technology of 1970s dumb terminals. Is that really the best writing system we can come up with?<p>Clearly, it&#x27;s not. One obvious improvement would be a system with the same semantics as markdown which presented these semantics using the standard typographical conventions everyone knows (italic for emphasis, larger text for headings, etc). A further improvement would be a more carefully thought through and richer semantics than the rather arbitrarily-chosen subset of HTML that markdown currently supports.
andmariosover 11 years ago
“Markdown lets you think about what you’re writing instead of how it looks.”<p>Usually this is the [type of] phrase we use to describe LaTeX.
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chmikeover 11 years ago
Which markdown is he talking about ? There are no standard and each editor has it&#x27;s own rules. Bullet lists? How do you make sub bullet lists ? Use tabs ? No tab on iPad. Tables ? There is a Markdown dialect for that.<p>Markdown has limitations and needs to be standardized.
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justinatorover 11 years ago
Before markdown (for me), there was Perl&#x27;s POD. [0]<p>Simple to pick up, does what it says on the tin, easy to hack in, &quot;Do What I Want&quot;, for things missing.<p>The tools for it are a little all over the place, but, &quot;Turn this into HTML&quot; (pod2html) works, and works well for documentation.<p>Can you write whole books with it? People do - I believe many of the Perl books put out by O&#x27;Reilly are written in a POD dialect.<p>[0]<a href="http://perldoc.perl.org/perlpod.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;perldoc.perl.org&#x2F;perlpod.html</a>
icedogover 11 years ago
As everyone has noted, good writing shouldn&#x27;t be bogged down with syntax, yet the author proposes people ditch editors&#x2F;bars and just write it directly? If you want that, just switch to source view and write. Otherwise, I&#x27;m quite content with working in a lightweight editor with keyboard shortcuts.<p>Frankly, I prefer to format my text with HTML anyhow. Markdown is easier on the eyes, but it has limited function and is just another level of separation between what I write and what you see.
libovnessover 11 years ago
The premise here that &quot;Markdown lets you think about what you’re writing instead of how it looks&quot; should be questioned.<p>Who says that the content of the writing is necessarily so much more important than how it looks? There&#x27;s a reason that books are meant to look nice - we enjoy the look and feel of them. Likewise, I enjoy reading things on certain blogs - e.g., The Verge, Medium, Grantland - because they look really great and it&#x27;s a great reading experience.<p>I&#x27;m almost tempted to think that it&#x27;s the opposite - superpowerful WYSIWYG is the future of writing. End users will get to create amazing multimedia experiences. For better or worse, writing will be freed from being just about <i>words</i>.
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useflyerover 11 years ago
Markdown is like Vim -- sure, it might speed up your output, if that&#x27;s your sole focus. And its not meant to be adopted en masse.<p>I&#x27;m a designer and relatively intelligent person by trade, and I have a difficult time with markdown. It requires me to have a guide open, to be able to write. No &quot;normal folks&quot; I know can decipher markdown.<p>The trick is to make styling easy -- not to make styling an afterthought. The writer, writing on Medium, should recognize this.
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quasqueover 11 years ago
The idea the author is illustrating reminds me of this even simpler, no-distractions, plain text editor <a href="http://writer.bighugelabs.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;writer.bighugelabs.com&#x2F;</a><p>It works really well for me when just trying to get thoughts out into words. Then it&#x27;s just a case of pasting it into a &#x27;proper&#x27; editor later to work on the finer editing, formatting, and suchlike.
koralatovover 11 years ago
Telling me there&#x27;s an 30-second overview of Markdown at the end of this post, but not providing an anchor link to get there, and another to get back, is really sloppy. It&#x27;s probably as a result of Markdown&#x27;s ``intentionally really simple&#x27;&#x27; syntax. I write in Markdown all the time and <i>I</i> certainly don&#x27;t know how to create an anchor link within it.
computeloopsover 11 years ago
The upcoming Ghost[1] blogging platform&#x2F;tool has side by side post editor that supports Markdown on left and visual formatting on right. This should make it easier to learn Markdown syntax.<p>Also, I believe, Markdown is the best option for generating formatted content on touch based devices.<p>[1]<a href="http://tryghost.org/features.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tryghost.org&#x2F;features.html</a>
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afsinaover 11 years ago
I think Markdown is mediocre. Putting too much meaning to white spaces is not exactly a bright idea for a markup language IMO.
peterarmstrongover 11 years ago
At Leanpub we bet the whole startup on Markdown, so we certainly agree! We love Markdown since it means that writers focus on writing, not on formatting...
donniezazenover 11 years ago
It baffles me that WordPress doesn&#x27;t have Markdown by default.
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toolsliveover 11 years ago
Suppose my writing includes tables, what do I do then?
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