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List of Wall Street CEOs prosecuted for the financial crisis

147 pointsby gereover 11 years ago

27 comments

saalweachterover 11 years ago
Two words: fiduciary duty.<p>Whenever a megacorporation decides to act like a total shitburger, we are told their executive team has no choice, they are compelled by law to act like total shitburgers if it maximizes shareholder value. Keep workers part time to avoid giving benefits? Fiduciary duty. Export jobs to countries with no environmental or labor protections? Fiduciary duty. Charge customers a daily overdraft fee when an undeclared fee for checking their balance from a foreign ATM puts them in the red? Fiduciary duty. Lobby to change laws so they can act like even bigger shitburgers, legally? Fiduciary duty. Don&#x27;t judge them, we are told, they have no choice. They are not bad people, they are just bound by fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder value. You should feel sorry for them, really.<p>And then a complex, perhaps admittedly fraudulent scheme (the mortgage crisis) comes along and kills giant megacorporations, wiping out shareholder value entirely. Any WAMU shareholders in the audience? What happened to this fiduciary duty? What happened to these terrible consequences which would arise if shareholders were not appeased? Shareholder value has been minimized ... and nothing happened.<p>Wall Street wants it both ways. A bailout with bonuses. Reward with no risk. License to act like a shitburger.<p>Fine, don&#x27;t prosecute people for bad decisions. But don&#x27;t pretend like you have no choice but to act like a shitburger, that doing so is anything but screwing the rest of us for personal gain.
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rayinerover 11 years ago
I find it mind boggling that people start raving about the overly expansive criminal justice regime when a hacker does something, but turn around and demand jail time for Wall Street CEOs, none of whom provably did anything wrong.<p>People act as if the fact that there was a global financial collapse is proof that someone must have been criminally culpable. But who should be prosecuted for the last dot com bubble bursting? Or the next one?<p>Re: jail time, I think non-violent crimes should not get jail time period, whether you&#x27;re a banker or a stoner or a malicious hacker.
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gutnorover 11 years ago
It raises a good point that we cannot (and should not) prosecute people for the consequence of bad but legal business decision.<p>However that also means that &quot;self-regulation&quot; is a get out of jail free card. Which I sort of understand, you would not want to cripple a growing sector with unnecessary constraint, I understand _once_ ( and you may argue, that it was not the first time for the Banking sector to keep only greed as regulation)<p>So it is fine that nobody went to jail. But we should also acknowledge that this self-regulation has failed in a spectacular fashion. So spectacular that it has had no impact in the life of most bankers, except a delayed bonus for a year. And nothing has been done to change that in the last 5 years.<p>To put that in perspective it took a decade for the start-up sector to recover from the .Net bubble. A lot of developer from those time have lost money, and struggled to recover their past salary level. The days of setting your own rules in a company just because you are a developer are also gone.<p>Here is the City of London, nothing has changed for bankers.<p>Edit: should -&gt; should not
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jackgaviganover 11 years ago
&quot;America doesn’t criminalize bad business decisions, even when they lead to business failure; if we did, Silicon Valley would be a penal colony.&quot;<p>This is the crux of the problem. It&#x27;s very difficult to send someone to jail when they haven&#x27;t committed a crime, no matter how unpopular they are.<p>I think most people would regard that as a good thing, personally.<p>It&#x27;s worth remembering also that the banks were regulated. Did any regulators lose their jobs? <a href="http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-cant-we-fire-failed-regulators" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cato.org&#x2F;publications&#x2F;commentary&#x2F;why-cant-we-fire...</a><p>EDIT&#x2F;Afterthought: I suppose we could bring back lynching.
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derekyleover 11 years ago
If anyone should be prosecuted, it&#x27;s politicians like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE</a> Their policies encouraged banks to relax lending standards and lend to people that could not afford it. Bottom line, they presided over one of the largest collapses of wealth in American history with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
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JackFrover 11 years ago
He buries the lead -- its in the fifteenth paragraph: &quot;America doesn’t criminalize bad business decisions, even when they lead to business failure&quot;
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xradionutover 11 years ago
It&#x27;s good to be a king:<p><a href="http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/09/10/13326/ex-wall-street-chieftains-living-large-post-meltdown-world" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.publicintegrity.org&#x2F;2013&#x2F;09&#x2F;10&#x2F;13326&#x2F;ex-wall-stre...</a>
ig1over 11 years ago
Do you really want there to be a law on the books which means people can be prosecuted for making bad decisions, decisions which the people making them thought were perfectly reasonable and legal at the time ?<p>The reason that CEOs haven&#x27;t been prosecuted is that it&#x27;s not clear there&#x27;s any basis for which there to be a prosecution. There&#x27;s no law criminalizing CEOs from making bad decisions, and it&#x27;d be incredibly stupid for there to be one.
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jyuover 11 years ago
There&#x27;s a lot of backstory that can not be adequately covered in a blog post. If you&#x27;re interested in reading further, I highly suggest watching &quot;The Untouchables,&quot; a PBS Frontline documentary following Wall Street executives and the prosecutors during that time.<p>It explores the roles and motives of different players, and pretty convincingly shows how the game is heavily tilted towards Wall Street executives.<p>Video: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/untouchables/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pbs.org&#x2F;wgbh&#x2F;pages&#x2F;frontline&#x2F;untouchables&#x2F;</a><p>Transcript: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/business-economy-financial-crisis/untouchables/transcript-37/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pbs.org&#x2F;wgbh&#x2F;pages&#x2F;frontline&#x2F;business-economy-fin...</a>
jfasiover 11 years ago
I hate this view.<p>The rationale seems quite reasonable up front: something bad happened, we should find out who&#x27;s responsible for it and punish them. There&#x27;s also an unspoken assumption that this punishment would be a deterrent to future catastrophes, either by making these people too afraid of the consequences to commit their crimes, or simply by removing them from their positions of power.<p>This view of justice makes very good sense on the level of an individual. An individual who can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have committed a crime is considered responsible for their actions, and it is appropriate to punish them. If their punishment is incarceration, then locking them up for a time arguably makes society safer. Their fate would serve as an example to others of what happens when you commit a crime.<p>The problem with this view is that the financial crisis was not the result of individual actions on an individual level. What transgressions met the standard of our justice system, namely the rigorous demonstration of concrete, individual crimes, were treated. This article itself says this: those (relatively few) individuals who were demonstrated to have committed actions that were against the law were investigated, tried, and sentenced.<p>The financial crisis as a whole, however, was a consequence of the structure of a system. Risk was commoditized. Loans were gathered, sliced up, and sold as instruments. Incredible complexity was introduced: witness the explosion of demand for financial engineers specializing in derivatives pricing. Banks sold mortgages with the intention to sell them up the chain as components of complex securities, encouraging them to be lax with their lending standards.<p>In a way everyone involved was to blame, from the homeowners who filed shoddy-to-fraudulent paperwork, to the loan officers who looked the other way and accepted it. The mistake this and other articles like it make is it attempts to aggregate this blame upward. After all, the thinking goes, it&#x27;s a manager&#x27;s responsibility to ensure the proper behavior of those who report to him, and that chain ends at the CEOs. Therefore, the view goes, the CEOs must be held accountable.<p>Sometimes a more ephemeral, less informed view is at play. The reasoning is that these companies do what their leaders tell them to do, so naturally consequences of the company&#x27;s actions are consequences of its leaders&#x27; actions. In addition, the CEO is a public figure. When we need a human being to personify a company, he&#x27;s the first that comes to mind.<p>This is where things break down. To be held responsible for a crime, you personally have to have done something illegal. Not &quot;you should have known better.&quot; You have to have broken the law. These people were investigated and even brought to testify before Congress, and no actions were found that met the rigorous requirements to be called a crime. Perhaps it can be argued that they were morally culpable, but as far as the justice system is concerned, their hands are clean. Their actions could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have directly brought about the financial crisis.<p>Suppose they had been tried and given jail time, as this and other articles demand? In the absence of all other interventions, would that have made the system any more stable? Certainly not. The economic ingredients for another crisis would still be in place. Would their example have served to convince others to behave better? Certainly not. The message would not have been &quot;don&#x27;t cause financial crises,&quot; (whatever that means) but rather, &quot;try not to be at the helm when things go badly.&quot; Their incarceration would have served no purpose beyond crowd pleasing.<p>It&#x27;s time to give it a rest. You will never see these people prosecuted because by our standards of justice there is nothing to prosecute. If you want to make the financial system more resilient against collapse, you ought to press for structural reform to prevent these unstable situations from occurring again. If you want mob justice, it not happening. Deal with it.
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pjc50over 11 years ago
There has been some _actual_ fraud involved, most notably the &quot;robo-signing&quot; (steal a million homes at the stroke of a pen): <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/25/robosigning-sentencing-idUSL2N0F11S920130625" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;25&#x2F;robosigning-senten...</a>
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alan_cxover 11 years ago
Government&#x27;s job is to regulate and legislate. Within that frame work, all if fair. The regulation and legislation failed. Government failed. That&#x27;s where fingers should be pointed.<p>Same deal with tax avoidance.
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damian2000over 11 years ago
Its sort of similar to the outcome here too - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor_scandal" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Libor_scandal</a> - a bunch of investigations, banks being fined, new regulations put in place, but noone has gone to prison.
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skueover 11 years ago
It certainly didn&#x27;t help that Eliot Spitzer&#x27;s political career imploded months before the financial crisis hit. It&#x27;s impossible to know what he might have done -- either as governor or in some investigatory&#x2F;prosecutorial role after his term. But it&#x27;s also hard to imagine him remaining on the sidelines on this issue if his own dumb hubris hadn&#x27;t taken him out of the game.<p>Edit: if any of you have seen <i>Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room,</i> the same filmmaker also made a documentary to explore Spitzer&#x27;s downfall with regard to the financial crisis:<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/27/eliot-spitzer-wall-street-fallen-angel" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2011&#x2F;feb&#x2F;27&#x2F;eliot-spitzer-w...</a>
jonmrodriguezover 11 years ago
Meanwhile, in China: <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-white-collar-criminals-death-sentence-2013-7?op=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;chinese-white-collar-criminal...</a>
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ddeckover 11 years ago
If no-one significant did anything illegal and yet the result was the financial crisis, then clearly the legal&#x2F;regulatory framework was&#x2F;is flawed.<p>The most troubling issue is that there hasn&#x27;t been any significant adjustments since then. Perhaps not that surprising given the amount of influence the financial industry have in policy making, but still. It&#x27;s also distressing to see an individual like Larry Summers being nominated as the next Fed Chairman. It seems very little has been learned.<p>For anyone interested in understanding the events that led to the crisis, I can&#x27;t recommend highly enough: All the Devils Are Here[1]. Of the many books written on the subject, it provides a very objective and thorough account.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.amazon.com/All-Devils-Are-Here-Financial/dp/1591843634" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;All-Devils-Are-Here-Financial&#x2F;dp&#x2F;15918...</a>
kensover 11 years ago
It really seems messed up that Martha Stewart went to jail and no financial crisis CEOs did. Prosecutors seem to be focusing in the wrong direction.<p>(I know it&#x27;s not quite that simple. Strangely enough, Martha Stewart used to be a stock broker, so she should know insider trading laws. But still...)
pasbesoinover 11 years ago
For what I consider to be an informed opinion on the matter, I&#x27;ll cite the head of the 80&#x27;s Savings and Loan scandal investigation and prosecutions. He was interviewed on public radio the other year.<p>This is someone with expert knowledge who has actually been through and on the inside of a similar, if smaller, situation.<p>He pointed out that, in that case, they pursued investigations and prosecutions and were able to win settlements and judgments in circa 1000 instances including criminal prosecutions.<p>As I recall, he described what has happened this time around and a real shortfall and travesty. One that was not necessary, had justice been more aggressively (or, at all) pursued.<p>I&#x27;m not an expert. But this guy, not just through credentials but also experience and demonstrated results, is. And that&#x27;s what he had to say on the matter.<p>Sorry, but it&#x27;s been long enough that I don&#x27;t recall his name off the top of my head. If I have time, I&#x27;ll look for it and perhaps for that interview, as well. Or maybe someone else has a name and&#x2F;or reference handy.
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codexover 11 years ago
The financial crisis was one big fuck-up, but that fuck-up was accidental and not on purpose. Generally, there is no criminal liability for an accident, because it was an accident. There is criminal neglect, but that doesn&#x27;t come into play here: given a reasonable level of expertise, it was impossible to predict, and, after the fact, can be seen as a natural consequence of the structure of the world financial system. Who do you jail for accidentally, unpredictably creating a flaw in a worldwide system?
varelseover 11 years ago
In the western world, gain is privatized, and loss is socialized. Nothing changes unless tax rates or some other form of revenue emerges to back up that socialization. Oh wait, my money market account is earning ~0.15%. Silly me, problem solved.
daniel-cussenover 11 years ago
Not sure he was a CEO, but Bernard Madoff was prosecuted.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bernard_Madoff</a>
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bridgelandover 11 years ago
Simple explanation: they broke no laws
oleganzaover 11 years ago
Ask yourself how did it happen that some people got some much power to affect economy around you. Now find a way to insure&#x2F;protect yourself against that.<p>You will probably find out that, for instance, central bank manipulations with currency are protected by police enforcement in forms of various laws and regulations anybody dealing with money needs to comply (&quot;allowed to participate on the market&quot;). Liberty Dollar founder was deprived of all his customers&#x27; silver and is being prosecuted. Bitcoin companies are all on the verge of being harassed etc.<p>Or, if you want to create an alternative bank or fund, you&#x27;ll find it&#x27;s not so easy to do: people with armed forces will politely ask you to comply with tons of regulations. It&#x27;s basically a one self-protecting cartel and the basis of it is access to &quot;legal&quot; violent power.
adventuredover 11 years ago
There have been no members of the US Government or the Federal Reserve prosecuted for providing the laws, financing and hyper liquidity that made it all possible. Don&#x27;t hold your breath on that one either.
Howard_Roarkover 11 years ago
&quot;Who permitted them to do it? No particular man among the dozens in authority. No one cared to permit it or to stop it. No one was responsible. No one can be held to account. Such is the nature of all collective action.&quot;<p>- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead
JonFish85over 11 years ago
I feel like the problem is, there are no easy answers. The mortgage-backed securities did exactly what they were supposed to do: diversify risk so that the only thing that could bring down the ship was a system-wide failure. And until that happened, things were great.<p>People were buying houses. This was great for politicians, great for the middle class, great for businesses. Politicians wanted this to continue, so they pushed for easier access to borrowing. Banks&#x2F;Wall Street wanted this to continue, so they were lax about loaning standards. People wanted this to continue because home values were soaring, and they were able to &quot;afford&quot; nicer and nicer places.<p>Digging into it further, mid-level people in the banks, the ones responsible for handing out these 0-down mortgages, were pushing mortgages out the door as fast as they could. The model kept showing home prices soaring, and this mid-level mortgage official wanted his bonus. The home-buyer wanted that $750k house on his $70k&#x2F;yr salary, because if he could only hold onto it for 5 years, it&#x27;d be worth $1.5m. Politicians wanted this to continue because they were raking in taxes on it.<p>And for years, this grew outrageously. Until suddenly the one thing that could bring the whole industry to its knees happened: a country-wide slowdown on buying houses. Suddenly home prices stagnated, mortgage rates rose and bam, everyone is fucked. Banks are stuck with loans that were given to people on the ragged edge of what they could &quot;afford&quot;. People were stuck with mortgages that they could barely afford the interest on. Politicians were stuck with constituents who suddenly were shocked that they weren&#x27;t able to afford the lifestyle they wanted.<p>Who&#x27;s at fault? A little bit of everyone. Banks loaned money to people who couldn&#x27;t afford a bump in the road. Should they have told people &quot;nope, you can&#x27;t afford that house&quot;? Maybe. But at the same time, should a person have taken on the responsibility of a house they couldn&#x27;t afford? Politicians, who are in charge of setting the rules of the game--should they have told the banks not to make loans? After all, their constituents were demanding it. Why <i>shouldn&#x27;t</i> they have access to a booming housing market? Should the government have stepped in to tell people what financial risks to take?<p>It&#x27;s a really, really tricky situation. And honestly, everyone is a bit to blame. Picking out a few CEOs to toss in jail seems arbitrary. What about the loan officer who wanted his bonus for a new pool? He&#x27;s probably a middle-class person just like the majority of people in this. He wins because he pushed a mortgage, the client &quot;wins&quot; in the short term because he gets a crazy nice home. Do we prosecute all of the mid-level people at the banks too?
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knownover 11 years ago
Fed monopoly&#x2F;hegemony over printing our dollars is undesirable.