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Ask HN: How do you get hired for a senior role without "experience"?

9 pointsby diminiumover 11 years ago
I was reading some history on immigrants from Europe to America and how their entire future existence depended on keeping a portfolio book safe. If they lost that then, well, they got to start their lives all over again from the bottom of civilization.<p>Imagine if you had a large amount of knowledge, a tremendous amount that would rival any senior technical lead in the field of your choice. You don&#x27;t know everything but you know you have more knowledge about your field then most the people in the room.<p>The problem? You have no &quot;experience&quot;. Whatever history you had of how you gained your knowledge is gone. Your past is unknown to this new group of people and nothing you say about it makes any sense to them. The only thing that makes sense to them is the knowledge you have of your field.<p>The obvious answer is to start from the very bottom and spend years fighting your way back up from your pigeonholed existence. But, what other options are there? You know a lot but you have nothing to show for it.

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staunchover 11 years ago
If you truly have the knowledge and judgement(!) to justify a senior position, regardless of years of experience, you should have no trouble landing such a position.<p>There may be some companies with biases that will prevent it, but there are plenty of companies that don&#x27;t care how old you are, what you look like -- just that you&#x27;re really good at what you do.<p>But be aware that many people overestimate their abilities or undervalue the judgement that years of experience bring. There&#x27;s a lot of value in having been around long enough to see things come and go. To have made lots of mistakes and learned valuable lessons. Some people really are so good that they can skip much of that, but it&#x27;s very rare. The only safe bet is to assume you&#x27;re not one of those people.<p>And I wouldn&#x27;t get too hung up about titles. If someone wants to call you &quot;Junior Dog Walker&quot; but pays you and treats you like you want to be treated then don&#x27;t worry about it.
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contitegoover 11 years ago
&quot;You have no &quot;experience&quot;. Whatever history you had of how you gained your knowledge is gone. Your past is unknown to this new group of people and nothing you say about it makes any sense to them.&#x27;&quot;<p>This question makes no sense to me, nor does your history of posting questions on here.<p>Based on reading your past questions, looks like you were not a good interviewee and&#x2F;or lacking in real technical skills.<p>Communication is the biggest key to getting any position. You need to be able to sell yourself and your abilities. Can you explain what the basics of OOP, MVC, SQL, etc? An inability to communicate these terms, invalidates your technical skills. If you can not explain what an does MVC, how can you implement this pattern into a web app?<p>You could not articulate common terms that were used in programming during your interview process. At other times, you write about how you can barely program anything outside of a simple app&#x2F;CRUD, then a bit later are bitching about how simple these tasks are.<p>Focus on learning how to communicate the terms better. Every profession as certain terms and ideas that they use. Nursing has them, engineering has them, and teaching has them. Programming certainly has them. Sit down and learn the terms.
donavanmover 11 years ago
Demonstration is the best path forward. Show, dont tell, your abilities. The rest of my comment assumes this is based on a real life issue.<p>Youre interviewing at the wrong place, with people you shouldnt work with. When leveling a candidate two things matter, technical knowledge &amp; leadership. Ive literally never heard anyone suggest leveling a candidate based on work history. Experience might affect comp, or indicate retention issues, but it _does not_ affect leveling.<p>To qualify my argument Ive a decade of experience. Ive been in &quot;senior&quot; roles for the last 4. Ive worked in a couple 4 man llcs, and a couple multi billion dollar tech cos. Ive probably done a hundred interviews, and ive coworkers in the hundreds and thousand range.
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ulisesrmzrocheover 11 years ago
How do websites sink in the ocean? Makes no sense. Link them to stuff you&#x27;ve worked on. Also, a lot of companies do contract-to-hire and there&#x27;s the whole technical interview gauntlet. That&#x27;s usually how people gauge ability.<p>Just seems like an impossible scenario.
LarryMade2over 11 years ago
You would have to be able to demonstrate your experience...<p>I would think go the showcasing competitive route, hackathons, open source projects, etc. If you can make a spectacular showing there and win the kudos of your peers, that would account for something.
terrykohlaover 11 years ago
are you now in the witness protection program?
6d0debc071over 11 years ago
Well, if it&#x27;s just a book, if no-one&#x27;s checking on it. (Which seems implied by the book being all the proof of your past life,) Then I&#x27;d go to a print shop and make myself a new book....
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