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Why We Hate Infographics

120 pointsby cyrillevinceyover 11 years ago

36 comments

mchermover 11 years ago
I want to take issue with one of their points.<p>They link to an infographic on fuel sources and energy use from loveinfographics.com. Then they ask you to look at it for 10 seconds and ask they ask what you have learned.<p>I might as well ask people (who don&#x27;t speak Chinese) to run the author&#x27;s article through Bablefish English &gt; Chinese, remove all images, then read &quot;Why We Hate Infographics&quot; article carefully and tell what they learned. It would, of course, be a useless article, but that does not reflect badly on the article: it was never intended to be consumed that way!<p>The infographic they link to is the kind of infographic that I find extremely valuable (and also quite difficult to create). A diagram which conveys a VERY significant amount of information in a very concise format. Looking at that graphic I can glean the following facts:<p>* Gas and oil make up a little more than half of US fuel supplies. * Electricity is used roughly equally by residential, commercial, and industrial clients (well, slightly less for industrial). * I heat my home with fuel oil. Apparently I&#x27;m a minority in that, but not by an extreme amount: we fuel oil users make up maybe 5% of the usage (not the population).<p>None of that information was a specific detail that the chart authors wanted to convey, so using less detailed methods would never have conveyed the information. A series of charts with numbers could have conveyed the information, but not in a form I could have processed with my brain (unless maybe I used it to build a chart like this).<p>I want to defend complex data visualizations that convey large amounts of information in easily perceived ways. I still think the &quot;infographics&quot; that just just illustrate things with pretty pictures are stupid.
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tokenadultover 11 years ago
The submitted article includes one section that begins, &quot;Ever heard of the data-to-ink ratio? If so, skip this.&quot; But please don&#x27;t skip that. That is an excellent visual illustration of how to remove &quot;chartjunk&quot; (Tufte&#x27;s term) from a data graphic, vividly showing how much a chart can be improved by being simplified.<p>Cute captioned photos are a dime a dozen, especially since websites for producing them for free popped up to feed some people&#x27;s Facebook walls. Don&#x27;t bother. Use a diagram when it really illustrates something, and write clearly the rest of the time. One of the strengths of the discussion on Hacker News is paragraphs of actual thoughtful text.
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redact207over 11 years ago
Getting pretty tired of all these posts that are telling me what I should hate. It&#x27;s just infographics. They&#x27;re not a substitute for hard core analytics and they&#x27;re not supposed to be. It&#x27;s a designers spin on providing summary level data that sits somewhere between the words of design and analysis. If you want a quickly digestible, publishable bit of content, use infographics. If you want to provide more meat to your message, don&#x27;t use them.
Intermernetover 11 years ago
I hate to be the guy who first mentions XKCD on an HN thread (I call it &quot;Munroe&#x27;s Law&quot;), but there are some <i>beautiful</i> infographics from Randall...<p>See <a href="http://halfblog.net/2013/01/22/infographics-of-xkcd/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;halfblog.net&#x2F;2013&#x2F;01&#x2F;22&#x2F;infographics-of-xkcd&#x2F;</a>
mathattackover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m not a big fan of infographics because I keep thinking of Mark Twain saying, &quot;There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.&quot; I&#x27;m always thinking, &quot;What are they trying to pull over on me, and how should I be arguing against it?&quot; The infographic usually hides more than it reveals.<p>I like data visualization when I&#x27;m doing it for myself, or when a trusted colleague is using it to share information. Certainly there is much that can be seen more readily from a graphic than a number. But infographics are propaganda.<p>p.s. For those so inclined, this book is 40 years old but still Gold. <a href="http://archive.org/details/HowToLieWithStatistics" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;HowToLieWithStatistics</a>
morpherover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised that the criticism of the &quot;Kenya&quot; infographic is limited to deriding its visual style as childish (and its lack of message). This graphic is much worse for the fact that there is no relationship between the numeric and graphic quantities (other than monotonicity). For example, 39.5 million people is about twice as many as 35.8? Why be snarky about it looking like something a kindergartner would do when there is substantive criticism to be given?
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ianstallingsover 11 years ago
I hate infographics. Although I understand the need for an overview of a subject, I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s a substitute for a meaty body of text. I feel that anytime a subject is <i>processed</i> and <i>homogenized</i> into a one page graphic that I&#x27;m selling myself short. They remind me of &quot;talking points&quot; you see on the &quot;news&quot;. I&#x27;d rather just read a body of text and then give myself some leeway to discover more about the topic in my own way. I have the patience and willpower to truly discover some truths, instead of parroting a factoid from an infographic. I do like how they are being used to draw people into a topic, and I do understand how data scientists are redefining visualization, I just don&#x27;t like to see a ton of them for no reason other than being trendy.
recroadover 11 years ago
Why do I have to hate infographics again? Let me counter these four points in basic form:<p><i>&gt; #4. Most of them focus on form rather than substance</i><p>That&#x27;s true for anything - a web page design, an iPhone UI, a newspaper ad. &quot;Most&quot; of the stuff out there is always going to be average to below average, and infographics are no different. Normal distribution et al.<p><i>&gt; #3. One page to tell a story? Really?</i><p>I&#x27;m not expecting to learn the &quot;story&quot; when I look at an infographic, and I accept that it&#x27;s condensing information for me so that it&#x27;s easily consumable (when the infographic is good, at least). If I want to see the most Metallica songs played on tour, I&#x27;ll check out an infographic about it. If I want the history of a particular song, I&#x27;ll look elsewhere. Infographics aren&#x27;t supposed to provide the full story, that&#x27;s what makes them consumable!<p><i>&gt; #2. Infographics ask too much to your brain</i><p>See point #4. Pointing to a bad example and treating it like the norm is a very poor way of making a point.<p><i>&gt;#1. Infographics are not DYI</i><p>Sure, but here&#x27;s your opportunity for a startup.
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jimt67over 11 years ago
Given the vast amount of junky infographics, I generally agree with their philosophy. They do, however, seem to ignore some of the research on the value of chartjunk. Like this paper, which won a best paper award at CHI &#x27;10: <a href="http://hci.usask.ca/publications/view.php?id=173" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hci.usask.ca&#x2F;publications&#x2F;view.php?id=173</a>
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xerophtyeover 11 years ago
I personally find vudlab&#x27;s charts pretty cool. I first came across them in the Simpson&#x27;s paradox article[1] and i really loved them because they let me EXPLORE the data. Yep, they&#x27;re interactive! That gives a whole new prespective to the readers.<p>[1] <a href="http://vudlab.com/simpsons/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;vudlab.com&#x2F;simpsons&#x2F;</a>
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nemesisjover 11 years ago
It struck me that the post on why we hate infographics vs. the product the company puts out (visualisations of various data sources) was a bit of a non sequitur but the product does seems interesting and I&#x27;ll probably give it a go.<p>A bit more on the actual topic of infographics (vs just data visualisation) would be a company that also &quot;hates&quot; them, but is putting out a tool that helps people build &quot;living infographics&quot;. They&#x27;re like the normal infographics we see, but they aren&#x27;t static and you can actually interact and manipulate the data which turns them into both a marketing tool (outbound) and a market research tool (inbound).<p>Check them out here: <a href="http://stipso.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;stipso.com&#x2F;</a>
mavhcover 11 years ago
The main problem is the data is stuck in a bitmap, because it&#x27;s 1985? The citations are graphics, you can&#x27;t click them, you can&#x27;t copy the data out and make your own charts, etc etc.<p>Make some accessible html5 infographics, then we&#x27;ll talk
josefrescoover 11 years ago
I hate to be the one to bring this up, but the contrast between your body font color (and even heading font) and background is downright horrible. It could also be how the font is being rendered, it looks thin and broken up.<p>For example the &quot;t&#x27;s&quot; and &quot;r&#x27;s&quot; and &quot;l&#x27;s&quot; in the following sidebar text are almost invisible: &quot;The data that makes your business tick is never more convincing than when it&#x27;s put in context inside a story&quot;
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breyover 11 years ago
&gt; in the early 90&#x27;s, hipsters of that time decided that graphs weren&#x27;t cool enough, and called them charts<p>I&#x27;d always thought that was to not confuse with graph theory.
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vacriover 11 years ago
There is no One True Way to do a presentation. One message per slide is good for a slideshow, but taking this article to their logical extreme, they don&#x27;t like prose, because you should only transfer one message per page. Infographics aren&#x27;t meant to be slideshows - and slideshows suck when there isn&#x27;t someone talking to them. Infographics aren&#x27;t meant to have someone talking to them.<p>Infographics are fine, and like anything, can be abused. Their example of &#x27;look at this infographic for 10 seconds&#x27; was just stupid. It was too small to see any of the text, and infographics aren&#x27;t intended to be viewed for only ten seconds. Not to mention that if I actually strain to read the writing they&#x27;re obfuscating, the graphic actually makes plenty of sense and is very clear. They&#x27;re stacking the deck for their favourite argument.
jkscmover 11 years ago
At least bad visualizations can be funny:<p><a href="http://wtfviz.net" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wtfviz.net</a>
theoriqueover 11 years ago
I would have found this article easier to understand if it presented its points as an infographic.
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arocksover 11 years ago
Infographics sacrifice accuracy i.e. proportions, colors etc in favor of emotional appeal. Sometimes facts need to be packaged better for a greater impact. That&#x27;s why they are primarily used for promotional rather than for reporting purposes.
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ctdonathover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m observing that many minimalistic&#x2F;simplified forms of complex subjects are for the benefit of those who actually navigated the complexity, grokked it, and saw the underlying simplicity ... then documented it as simplicity <i>in that context</i>. It means little to anyone not already familiar with the complexity. Kudos if that understanding <i>can</i> be presented as a shortcut to enlightening the ignorant, but most of the time it&#x27;s really done as a conclusion, not an introduction. Reading the ending of the story is not enlightening unless you&#x27;ve read from the beginning.
spader725over 11 years ago
The article writer contradicts him&#x2F;herself when they emphasis &quot;simplifying&quot; infographics (with the animated gif example), but their favorite infographic at the moment is the Microsoft&#x2F;Nokia example they showed. That infographic contains a pie chart.<p>Pie charts are hard to read and to compare size. As you can see in that example, for you (the user) to gather the information, you need to see the percentile, then also look at the legend outside the pie chart. A bar graph would&#x27;ve conveyed the information more efficiently.
smellfover 11 years ago
Cache link for image for #2:<p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.loveinfographics.com%2Fcategories%2Feconomy-infographics%2Fus-consumption-waste-facts-infographic-infographic&amp;oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.loveinfographics.com%2Fcategories%2Feconomy-infographics%2Fus-consumption-waste-facts-infographic-infographic&amp;aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.2939j0&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache%3Ahttp%...</a>
nekopaover 11 years ago
Do they mean &#x27;Why we hate infographics in presentations?&#x27;<p>I find a <i>good</i> infographic is great for syntopical study. As they say, a simple chart is good for a single point. But what if I want to look at the relationships between those single points? Do I flip between slides rapidly to find the connection? Do I open up multiple &#x27;simple charts&#x27; and arrange them on my screen to study? (which I can&#x27;t do right now as I&#x27;m on an iPad).<p>I say use the right tool for the job...
benologistover 11 years ago
Article misses the point of modern infographics, since back in the original Digg days they&#x27;ve just been carefully manufactured spam designed to suck up idiots, backlinks and traffic on social news sites.<p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/d7e24/my_job_was_to_game_digg_using_infographics_voting/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;IAmA&#x2F;comments&#x2F;d7e24&#x2F;my_job_was_to_ga...</a>
vitdover 11 years ago
Does anyone else find it ironic that an article about making your graphics simple and easy to understand is published on a website with a name that is unmemorable and unpronounceable? I will never be able to talk about where to find this with a friend because I don&#x27;t know how to say the name of the website, and it would probably be misunderstood even if I did.
darkxanthosover 11 years ago
One reason he gives is that there is too much data on the page. Tufte has said having a lot of data isnt the problem (humans are excellent at scanning images), terrible design is the problem.<p>Since I suck at design though I tend to need to do simpler charts. :)
TheBivover 11 years ago
...yet none of their points have what they say they love...it&#x27;s all in images.
anoplusover 11 years ago
CONSISTENCY. In my first programming job my mentor said: &quot;the most important thing in coding style is consistency&quot;. Charts are no different in that sense. Isn&#x27;t there any ISO protocol for charting?
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sailfastover 11 years ago
To the OP - nice points well condensed. Would love to see what your company does in more detail but it looks like your site&#x27;s down - guessing traffic related from this post!
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taericover 11 years ago
There is really only one reason I hate infographics. I can&#x27;t do them. If I had a fraction of the skill displayed at xkcd or the like, I would love them. :)
ulisesrmzrocheover 11 years ago
Can&#x27;t really trust you guys to deliver anything if you really think data visualization was invented sometime in the early 2000&#x27;s.
chrisreichelover 11 years ago
Why we hate Why we hate (And why you should)
pseutover 11 years ago
Ending an article on data presentation with an animated gif of a bar chart is... curious.
chris_wotover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m not interested because they didn&#x27;t make their point with an infographic.
petenixeyover 11 years ago
In the battle between information and graphics I feel that sadly, graphics have won.
volaskiover 11 years ago
I hate Infographics and I hate &quot;Why you should&quot; posts even more.
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hawleyalover 11 years ago
OP is raging at bad infographics.