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The letter Q was illegal in Turkey from 1928 until last month

92 pointsby rickyconnollyover 11 years ago

9 comments

belochover 11 years ago
To put things in perspective, you really need to take a look at the past to appreciate modern Turkey. The Ottoman empire was ruled by Sultan&#x27;s who wielded absolute power, much like the leaders of other Arab nations today. Prior to the Sultan&#x27;s were the emperor&#x27;s of the Holy Roman empire, who wielded power so absolute that even medieval Europeans would have found it unsettling. Much of the symbolism used by European royalty was copied wholesale from Constantinople in attempts to achieve a similar measure of control.<p>Ottoman society, like many Arab societies today, was heavily inclined towards absolute rule by &quot;strong men&quot;. Where most of Europe gradually weaned itself off of absolute rulers by gradually limiting or subverting the power of monarchs over several generations, Turkey literally went from absolute rule to democracy in a single generation. Kemal was an officer during the first world war, which Turkey was on the wrong side of and wound up being partitioned by the allied forces. He played a huge role in reunifying Turkey through armed conflict that expelled the occupying forces. The last Ottoman Sultan was opposed to Kemal and called for his death, but the unification forces instead abolished the sultanate and declared a democracy. Kemal was held in such esteem that he was easily elected to lead this new democracy.<p>Here&#x27;s where things get interesting... Kemal&#x27;s revolution and declaration of democracy are hardly novel. Many nations have undergone similar transformations, and many of the newly elected leaders soon turn into despots. Cultures that favor &quot;strong men&quot; tend to encourage this. Kemal introduced reforms intended to westernize Turkey. Western dress, even hats, were heavily encouraged while his &quot;Hat Law&quot; banned turban&#x27;s and fezzes (No, the doctor would not have been a fan of Ataturk!).<p>The new alphabet, seen in light of this wave of westernization, is particularly interesting. Ankara, Istanbul, and many other Turkish cities are full of monuments covered in arabic scrip proclaiming the awesomeness of various Sultan&#x27;s. It&#x27;s not unlike how Washington D.C.&#x27;s Lincoln memorial, etc., glorify the U.S. system of government, only the Ottoman empire had been accumulating such monuments for a <i>lot</i> longer. The Sultan&#x27;s of the Ottoman empire lived in the shadow of Constantinople&#x27;s emperors, so they tended to play themselves up rather a lot.<p>If you tour Turkey today, your university educated tour guides (practically every guide in Turkey has a degree or two) are extremely unlikely to be able to read a word of arabic script. The new alphabet effectively severed Turkish citizens from centuries of extremely high quality propaganda that the Ottoman empire had accumulated to support the sultanate&#x27;s rule.<p>Kemal&#x27;s legacy is not without it&#x27;s dark spots, but the &quot;strong man&quot; culture of the Ottoman empire has largely abated. Obviously, it takes time, as people change slowly. Turkish citizens today are more likely to revere Kemal himself as they would a Sultan rather than their prime minister or president. The military has historically seen itself as the guardian of Ataturk&#x27;s legacy, which has led to some truly unusual coups that, bizarrely enough, have probably kept Turkey on the course of democracy, although recently the power of the military has been gutted.<p>The Turkish alphabet might be interpreted by some as a form of oppression, but it&#x27;s adoption was more about breaking with the past and embracing democracy and the west. Compared to it&#x27;s Arab neighbors, Turkey is astoundingly western and unusually democratic.
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diorrayover 11 years ago
Actually it was never illegal in Turkey. Q, W, X just not allowed to be used in people&#x2F;company names because they&#x27;re not in Turkish alphabet. I think this news mislead by AKP as usual.
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dumanover 11 years ago
The letter Q was never illegal in Turkey. It was just not allowed to be used in names of people&#x2F;companies etc. due to the fact that it is not in Turkish alphabet.<p>It is like letters ç,ğ,ü being illegal in US.
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thretover 11 years ago
The first comment has a link to this article: <a href="http://gizmodo.com/382026/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-more-in-jail" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;382026&#x2F;a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two...</a><p>Wow.
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ttyover 11 years ago
The Polish minority in Lithuania doesn&#x27;t have the right to use the Polish orthography and&#x2F;or letters of the Polish alphabet when writing their names.<p><a href="http://www.nouvelle-europe.eu/en/polish-national-minority-lithuania-three-reports-later" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nouvelle-europe.eu&#x2F;en&#x2F;polish-national-minority-li...</a>
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pt3530over 11 years ago
This is common in many cultures. Until recently the letters K,W and Y were &quot;ilegal&quot; in Portugal. Meaning that could not be used in names or official documents.
makmanalpover 11 years ago
This is a bit like one of those archaic laws like how in Staten Island, can only water your lawn if you hold the hose in your hand. No one actually gives a shit, and no one even knows that this was illegal in the first place.<p>Both Turkish Q and F keyboard layouts have Q, W and X on them. Everyone uses them all the time, always. You can&#x27;t use them in your official company name, but that&#x27;s usually not your publicly visible brand name anyway. E.g. &quot;Biletix&quot;, a ticketing company (it was acquired by ticketmaster, but it was called that before the acquisition) <a href="http://www.biletix.com/anasayfa/TURKIYE/tr" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.biletix.com&#x2F;anasayfa&#x2F;TURKIYE&#x2F;tr</a><p>I don&#x27;t think the article itself is shooting for this, but the current AKP government is trying to spin this inane and pointless change as &quot;democratization&quot;. If they want to democratize things and appeal to oppressed minorities, they can start by taking thought criminals out of prison.
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jdmitchover 11 years ago
I think this is part of a general de-arabization trend which followed the crumbling of the Ottoman empire, as many words would naturally have been transliterated with a q (which would be ق in the Arabic script, which was used in Ottoman Turkish). I have heard that for many years it was illegal to name a son Muhammad in Turkey - you could only use the &quot;Turkified&quot; version Mehmed or Mehmet.
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Aardwolfover 11 years ago
I wonder how Star Trek episodes involving Q were broadcast there :)