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Finally, A Bill To End Patent Trolling

448 pointsby drobover 11 years ago

15 comments

TheMagicHorseyover 11 years ago
I know healthcare is really important, but I think this bill is also up there when it comes to the long term financial viability of our nation. Intellectual Ventures and all these other no-talent, pirate scum need to go down. If not, my children and your children will be working for bean soup while some cocksucker in a suit extracts rents for &quot;intellectual&quot; property rights based on some goddamn scrap of paper with no connection to reality.<p>Gonna call my senator and congress woman tomorrow. And then I&#x27;m going to tell everyone I know to do the same.<p>Intellectual Ventures and these other pantywaste dirtbags are going to be lobbying hard against this bill, so the only thing we can do (unless you have some millions of dollars to spare on lobbying) is to call people and spread the word. That worked for SOPA, so maybe it can work now too.<p>Go, go, go!
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rayinerover 11 years ago
The pleading requirement is very important. On of the basic tools courts use to filter out frivolous litigation is to quickly dispose of suits that are implausible on their face. See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Atlantic_Corp._v._Twombly" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bell_Atlantic_Corp._v._Twombly</a>. Until this bill, the pleadings in patent cases were often ridiculously vague. Like filing a lawsuit against Best Buy saying: &quot;Best Buy was negligent&quot; without making any more specific allegations that could be used to evaluate the complaint on its face.<p>As an aside, there are a lot of parallels between the litigation system under the federal rules and computer systems. In patent litigation, you have a phase that is extremely slow and expensive (claim construction). How can you minimize the average cost? One way is to try and filter out as many easy cases early in the pipeline so you hit the slow path as little as possible.
tzsover 11 years ago
Interesting legal fact: although the Constitution bars ex post facto laws, that only applies to criminal law. A retroactive tax is legal.<p>One of the reasons trolls have been successful is that the patent office is understaffed, and of the staff it does have, not enough are experts in software related matters. This means things get through that might not have if the PTO had more and better trained examiners.<p>If reforming to eliminate patent trolls, how about tossing in a nice big retroactive tax on patent trolls to help fund improvements in patent examining?
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dlitzover 11 years ago
This basically shoots the messenger. NPEs just expose a greater problem with the patent system, which people like rms and others have warning about for years.<p>What we need is actual reform of the patent system, not just sweeping the problem under the rug by singling out &quot;trolls&quot;.
batbombover 11 years ago
&gt; <i>It isn&#x27;t just HappyTroll LLC or whatever shell company was set up that week that&#x27;s going to be on the hook for fees. The fees can be applied to any &quot;interested party&quot; in the case.</i><p>That&#x27;s good, but the pessimist in me thinks IV could probably find a way around this too, but maybe not. Modifying the law to somehow identify patent troll originators (IV) and barring them from disbursing patents to NPEs would seem like some added protection.
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swatkat7over 11 years ago
YES!! I don&#x27;t think ideas need to be protected if you can back it with great execution. Ideas aren&#x27;t unique, can never be. As René Girard said, all desires (and hence ideas) are mimetic! So, I don&#x27;t buy into the philosophy that ideas need to be guarded. It curtails innovation.<p>A couple of years ago when I was building a product, our board convinced us to apply for a patent. After a provisional application and following it up with a proper submission, we finally had an offer that granted us the patent. Never pursued it. I know, it makes sense to protect your ideas; but we had Whatsapp, Pinger and other apps kicking ass in the space.
jherikoover 11 years ago
still about a million miles away from good enough. but a nice attempt a political manouveur<p>when $100k dollars is considered a low cost, someone is living in cuckoo land...<p>how about charging people this for failed patent applications? or just no patents at all?<p>nearly all of the arguments for patents are trivially in the worst interest of the wider public... frankly its an embarassment that the system exists at all, much less in the way that it does
throwawaykfover 11 years ago
Anyone interested in getting a better understanding of the economic reality of trolls is encouraged to go to ssrn.com and do a quick search for &quot;patent trolls&quot;. These are not all peer reviewed papers, but many of them have data and methodologies and, most importantly, numbers. Read only the abstracts, if you&#x27;re short on time.<p>As always, the topic is so much more nuanced than &quot;good&quot; or &quot;bad&quot;. The first result, &quot;Patent Troll Myths&quot; by Michael Risch is a good start.<p>Sure, you will find the papers by Bessen et al where the &quot;trolls cost the economy 29 Billion&quot; meme comes from. But you&#x27;ll also find a paper (by Schwartz and Kesan) that debunks Bessen&#x27;s paper, which got nearly 0 coverage in the press. You&#x27;ll even find a paper showing trolls have better patents than average! But these tend to get settled quickly, so typically the poorer ones go to trial, and so you get papers (like from Lemley) showing that trolls lose more cases than average.<p>You&#x27;ll also find papers arguing the benefits of trolls, debunking some of the common arguments against trolls, and introducing new previously unconsidered harms of patent trolls.<p>And of course, just like there&#x27;s no clear definition of &quot;software patents&quot;, there is no clear definition of &quot;patent trolls&quot; either, and you&#x27;ll find papers discussing this. <p>And because they use different data sets, different papers look at the same problem at the same time and reach completely opposite conclusions.<p>And further, because the authors are almost never practitioners in the field, you get some really obvious findings being reported... and then misconstrued! For instance there&#x27;s a paper showing litigation has shot up since 2007, and presenting various theories, completely missing the  Medimmune v Genntech decision that effectively upended the rules of patent licensing. And there&#x27;s the paper that argues patent quality is dropping because more patents were being issued, without being aware of the ending of the misguided &quot;reject, reject, reject&quot; unofficial policy instituted by former USPTO head Jon Dudas (<a href="http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ipwatchdog.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;03&#x2F;16&#x2F;prespective-of-an-anony...</a>)<p>And as always, it&#x27;s helpful to keep in mind where the authors&#x27; funding comes from. Bessen of the &quot;29 billion&quot; fame, for instance, is funded by the &quot;Coalition for Patent Fairness&quot;. Check out the list of supporters. It&#x27;s almost ad hom, but hey, if we can point out that studies showing the harms of piracy are often funded by the MPAA, we can point this out too.<p>Yes, there are clear bad actors like Lodsys, but there are so many more variables out there, and many are arguably helping more than harming. <p>Yet, somehow, it&#x27;s only one small side of the story that gets told. <p>As this is a hot-button topic, we should take an objective look at the data. Because, quoting from one of the papers above, &quot;Without a better understanding of the many complicated effects of patents in high technology markets, we run the very real risk of misguided policy decisions.&quot;
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freakyterroristover 11 years ago
Good start but it would be great to see something targeting trolls which threaten small companies and individuals, maybe something forcing them to do a class action against all companies that use Apple IAP frameworks rather than allowing them to target everyone one on one.
curiousquestionover 11 years ago
I like the idea that NPE can only make a certain percentage of revenue on &quot;trolling&quot;. What if, for example, only 25% of a company&#x27;s revenue can be made off these &quot;trolling&quot; escapades? I think it would clean things up quite a bit.
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joshlegsover 11 years ago
So I got to speak with Bob Goodlatte a few times before. I generally considered him a generic shmuck, but this legislation is pretty impressive. Kudos, Bobby.
ihswover 11 years ago
One has to wonder how this will affect the TPP, and other greater patent wars across the world.
TallboyOneover 11 years ago
Thank mother of god and all that is holy. This &amp;$&amp;$ bullshit has gone on long enough.
jschnell13over 11 years ago
finally is right
otikikover 11 years ago
It will not work.<p>I&#x27;m pessimistic like that.
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