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Paying Money To Save It And Doing More With Less

46 pointsby bbrunnerover 11 years ago

9 comments

nahnameover 11 years ago
Jenkins easily runs on a $20&#x2F;month digital ocean box and should take less than 2 hours to setup. I scripted jenkins to shutdown and wake up the workers on heroku during off hours. It took me less than five minutes to script up the job and saves us $35 a month per environment. Effectively, jenkins costs nothing per month (actually saves us money).<p>Most testing services are horribly over priced and you don&#x27;t get that level of control. Maybe you want to reconsider that one?<p><a href="http://travis-ci.com/plans" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;travis-ci.com&#x2F;plans</a><p><a href="https://circleci.com/pricing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;circleci.com&#x2F;pricing</a><p><a href="https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-and-use-jenkins-on-ubuntu-12-04" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digitalocean.com&#x2F;community&#x2F;articles&#x2F;how-to-insta...</a>
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pmover 11 years ago
Is NIH syndrome such a big deal with engineers that they need to implement EVERYTHING? I&#x27;m leading a team of 3, including myself, and I can&#x27;t imagine a worse way to spend your time. Why would I spend precious hours re-implementing a non-core problem badly when there&#x27;s someone already doing it well?<p>When you support a SaaS service, assuming the product is good, you&#x27;re essentially paying for an entire team to work on a problem you don&#x27;t like that much but need, but which they love. You&#x27;re also paying for the future of that product. Unless the software is really bad, or you need something so specialised that a current solution is out of the question, how does an engineer not understand this?<p>You only have limited time in the world. Work on something you find meaningful.
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greenyodaover 11 years ago
The risk of outsourcing to an SaaS is that the vendor can disappear - it may be a small startup that goes bankrupt, gets acqui-hired, pivots to a different product, etc. Or maybe they can&#x27;t provide the bandwidth you need to grow or the 99.9% uptime your customers are demanding. At that point you have to scramble to find a replacement SaaS or implement the service in-house.<p>I have nothing against paying for software that someone else wrote, but I&#x27;d feel much more comfortable buying the software and running it on my own servers (with a contract that says that if the vendor goes out of business, I retain the right to use the software).
nfmover 11 years ago
I have mixed feelings about this, but that might just relate to a certain subset of SaaS products we&#x27;ve used - namely products that require heavy integration with your data.<p>I&#x27;d sooner spend engineering time writing our own report generators than writing code to push data to another service, in the format they expect, pre-empting which data we might want to have in that service down the track, understanding exactly how the different reports are calculated, and then inevitably having to write a few custom ones of our own as well.<p>Of course, the exception to this are services have a huge set of useful features and take basically no time to fully integrate with, like Google Analytics.
PaulHouleover 11 years ago
The &quot;we don&#x27;t buy software here&quot; syndrome is going away.<p>GitHub is a bit part of it. At a lot of shops you have time to drive to the next town and back to update the Wiki or close out a trouble ticket. Uncompromising speed is a feature that turns your developers into winners.
drsimover 11 years ago
An engineer reinventing the wheel, other than an intellectual exercise, can be a symptom of them being bored with their work or not feeling ownership of the company mission.<p>Building something from scratch exactly how you want to is stimulating, gets you respect from peers inside and out and is something you completely own.<p>When an engineer develops NIH it can be a cry for help. Their leaders need to inspire them to refocus on their customers.
Xorlevover 11 years ago
Agreed. I used to think it was best to &quot;do it yourself so you know it&quot; but was quickly abused of that notion. Do important things yourself (if you can do it better -- the stuff the makes or breaks your business). SaaS is a godsend.<p>TRWTF is that the author knows someone who reimplemented NodeJS in house.
bluedinoover 11 years ago
Article is extremely hard to read on my phone.
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melindajbover 11 years ago
Love this idea. Of course it assumes one finds the right software quickly without too much time and hassle.