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How did ancient Greek music sound?

106 pointsby sebkomianosover 11 years ago

7 comments

corin_over 11 years ago
&gt; <i>But isn&#x27;t the music lost beyond recovery? The answer is no. The rhythms - perhaps the most important aspect of music - are preserved in the words themselves, in the patterns of long and short syllables.</i><p>This sounds a little bit like bollocks to me. The way we would speak lyrics of more modern music, from Bach to Bieber, rarely matches up with how they are set to music.<p>Given the article is written by the man behind this work, I&#x27;m not too sure whether that&#x27;s a gross over-simplification for the BBC audience, or if it&#x27;s simply the best they&#x27;re able to do. Or perhaps some other research suggests that in those times singing really was identical to speaking with the exception of pitch&#x2F;timbre etc. and rhythm didn&#x27;t alter at all?<p>edit: Does seem like it was just an over-simplification, some great additional thoughts in replies to me
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hetmanover 11 years ago
For anyone curious, here is a reconstruction of the Song of Seikilos mentioned in the article:<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xERitvFYpAk" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=xERitvFYpAk</a><p>It is based on the musical notation found on a tombstone and is, I think, the oldest complete Greek musical piece found to date.
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lauremerlinover 11 years ago
Annie Belis, brilliant researcher from France&#x27;s most selective post doct was already doing this with her ensemble Kerylos in 1990. The site is in French though but the songs in Ancient Greek <a href="http://www.kerylos.fr/index.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kerylos.fr&#x2F;index.php</a> And here is a chorus, easier for our ears I guess <a href="http://youtu.be/R_KmlIX3aHc" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;R_KmlIX3aHc</a>
Pxtlover 11 years ago
I wish they&#x27;d expored more the issue of the pitch itself. There are cultures on Earth that don&#x27;t use the 12-semitone chromatic scale that is near-universal today. There are Eastern cultures that historically bore very different scales... to my ears it sounds unlistenable, but I&#x27;m always curious if that&#x27;s just a cultural thing. Do we know the origin of the chromatic scale?
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davideousover 11 years ago
This reminds me of something my Latin teacher used to say: We don&#x27;t know how Latin was actually pronounced because all of the audio tapes were destroyed when Rome burned down. :-)
christudorover 11 years ago
Here&#x27;s my take on this: either the author or the BBC has simplified what is really going on, because we actually know a lot more about Ancient Greek Music than this article suggests.<p>Most importantly (I think), ancient music is not (only) preserved in the words themselves (i.e. by vowel length and things like that). There is also a lot of evidence for musical notation, which has been preserved both in the papyrus tradition (where we have lines of tragic verse with the actual notes transcribed above - you can see an example here: <a href="http://classics.uc.edu/music/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;classics.uc.edu&#x2F;music&#x2F;</a>), as well as from discussions of ancient music by the ancients themselves, e.g. Plutarch&#x27;s &#x27;On Music&#x27;
beecoover 11 years ago
Maybe they could do something like Fringe and get the noise from the walls.