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A map of depression rates around the world

61 pointsby wallzzover 11 years ago

11 comments

Camilloover 11 years ago
That map is a really bad visualization. They&#x27;re showing a single numeric variable with a limited scale, so all they need to express graphically is a level between &quot;empty&quot; and &quot;full&quot;. They should have mapped it to a single axis that intuitively corresponds to that notion: for example, a simple scale between white and red would have been perfect.<p>But instead, they decided to have a scale between red and blue, which goes through purple if it&#x27;s an admixture of the two colors. But then they would just have had a few colors with more or less the sale lightness and saturation, but different hues, and there&#x27;s really no intuitive reason why purple should be perceived as &quot;more&quot; or &quot;less&quot; than blue. So instead they made a three-point scale going from red to white and then to blue (look at the pink and light blue colors next to the center to see that this is what they did); except that now white looks like &quot;empty&quot;, and redder and bluer colors look increasingle &quot;full&quot;, except in opposite directions: the only situation where this makes sense is when you have relative numbers, and white is zero, red is positive and blue is negative. But then it would look like Iran has lots of depression, Brazil has no depression, and Australia has... negative depression?<p>They could tell that something looked wrong, but what? &quot;A-ha! Of course!&quot; - thought the graphic designer - &quot;a mix of red and blue is purple, not white!&quot; So he replaced the white in the middle cell with purple, leaving the neighboring pinks and light blues unchanged. So now the scale goes &quot;red, red but a little whiter, white but a little redder, PURPLE, white but a little bluer, blue but a little whiter, blue&quot;, and nothing makes sense. Good job!
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jader201over 11 years ago
Am I missing something fundamental here?<p>Is depression diagnoses really so objective that we can not only compare diagnosis rates across the country, but across the world? Sort of like comparing how good the pizza is in countries across the world, is it not?<p>It doesn&#x27;t seem like this analysis holds much value, if any.
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imperio59over 11 years ago
If you read between the lines, it&#x27;s clear the methodology used to extrapolate this data is shaky at best, and borders on &quot;you&#x27;ve never taken a statistics class in your life&quot; at worse.<p>Complete garbage... Favorite snippets: &quot; The paper further cautions that reliable depression surveys don’t even exist for some low-income countries -- a common issue with global studies -- forcing the researchers to come up with their own estimates based on statistical regression models.&quot;<p>My interpretation: &quot;There was no data so we guessed&quot;.<p>Terrible.
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hkmurakamiover 11 years ago
There is NO way Japan&#x27;s depression rate is that low. The culture does&#x27;t treat depression as a legitimate medical issue (their main remedy is along the lines of &quot;man up!&quot;) and I have to imagine that it&#x27;s being severely underreported.
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guard-of-terraover 11 years ago
Ukraine having opposite result from Russia and Belarus lights the red immediately. Why would it be so? The rest of data on the chart may be noise too.
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porkerover 11 years ago
I can&#x27;t believe the UK is that low either. I wonder if it&#x27;s because of the clinical depression is defined as something more serious than &quot;taking anti-depressants or having CBT&#x2F;Counselling&quot;?
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dansoover 11 years ago
Without commenting on the science or validity of the study...the map implementation here could be improved, in fact, it&#x27;s about as confusingly implemented as an infographic could be.<p>First of all, it violates the &quot;rainbow map&quot; rule, in that a wide spectrum of color is used to graph what is basically a very simple continuum: more depression vs. less depression.<p><a href="http://eagereyes.org/basics/rainbow-color-map" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;eagereyes.org&#x2F;basics&#x2F;rainbow-color-map</a><p>Second of all, and most egregiously, it uses the <i>most confusing color scheme possible.</i> At least in America, which is the WaPo&#x27;s main audience, the color blue is widely used to describe &quot;depression&quot; (&#x27;feeling the blues&#x27;). While red is often used to describe a dangerous or very intense situation...it&#x27;s not really appropriate here, as red is also used for &quot;passion&quot;, which is not mutually exclusive to depression, but is not usually associated with it either.<p>And the purple, rather than acting as a middle ground between &quot;more&quot; and &quot;less&quot; depression, comes off as its own weird symbolism.<p>And why the f-ck is &quot;gray&quot; in <i>between</i> blue and purple?<p>And of course, in America (and <i>especially</i> among the audience that the Washington Post serves), red and blue often indicate political thought.<p>It&#x27;s hard to think of how this map could be any more confusing, even without getting into the discussion of how country&#x2F;state-color maps greatly distort the quantities involved.<p>----<p>That said, I was surprised to see that the United States ranked on the low side...my intuition was that well-off countries had higher rates of reported and diagnosed depression (first world problems and all that). But I had to stare at the map for quite awhile to make sure I was reading it right...<p>Edit: Also, this stuck out:<p>&gt; <i>The most depressed country is Afghanistan, where more than one in five people suffer from the disorder. The least depressed is Japan, with a diagnosed rate of less than 2.5 percent.</i><p>I know Japanese culture has the propensity to be greatly distorted by outside observers...but how is it that a country that has among the highest suicide rates in the world (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Suicide_in_Japan</a>) also happens to have the lowest rates of depression? I mean, it&#x27;s certainly mathematically possible (e.g. clinically depressed Japanese, few as they are, are also at the extreme edges of depression, or, Japanese suicides are committed for reasons other than depression)...it&#x27;s just a bit unexpected.
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kintamanimattover 11 years ago
What in the world is going on in the Netherlands? Why is this country such an anomaly in terms of reported depression rates?
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mkesperover 11 years ago
I read the text...and got no usable info. Plus the awful map and a table that&#x27;s not sorted by rank but by region (thus only doubling the &quot;information&quot; of the map).<p>Where can we downvote? ;)
trurl123over 11 years ago
I live in Russia, but I don&#x27;t know anybody who diagnosed with depression. This is very uncommon diagnosis. I think that these researchers used invalid data.
ivanbrussikover 11 years ago
communist &#x2F; 3rd world countries pretty much win this one