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Co-Founder of Youtube makes his first comment in 8 years

520 pointsby rl12345over 11 years ago

55 comments

mcphilipover 11 years ago
The longer I use youtube while signed in, the more useless it becomes to me. I have a wide range of interests. If I'm watching the Dead Skeletons - Dead Mantra music video, it's not helpful to have 5 Starcraft 2 VODs in the recommended video list (i.e. I enjoy watching professional Starcraft 2). I'd much prefer recommendations similar to the Dead Skeletons. I've found no way to turn off this recommendation bubble and have since decided youtube is best used without an account if you want to actually explore its content.
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ancardaover 11 years ago
A few weeks ago, YouTube started automatically signing me into my Google+ account (which I was forced into getting) rather than my YouTube account -- which has years of favorites and other content. I&#x27;m getting sick of it. I only signed up to Google+ because my friend wanted to use Hangouts. Now it&#x27;s screwed up my YouTube channel and I can&#x27;t revert it.<p>The only reason I post on YouTube is to share small clips with people (all my videos are unlisted). Vimeo takes ~40 minutes to encode, whereas YouTube is a lot faster meaning it&#x27;s far more convenient.<p>Checking out my Google account, it seems I have Chrome on here. I&#x27;m outraged as I never signed in with Google on Chrome. I always clicked &quot;Not Now&quot;. What does &quot;Not Now&quot; even mean? Where&#x27;s the &quot;Never&quot; option?<p>This is why I hate Google. I probably made the mistake of signing into my YouTube account on Chrome which has been infected with Google+ and that leaked through to Chrome. Apparently that means my bookmarks can be stored without my permission.<p>The best way is to deal with this issue is to delete my Google Account. Unfortunately, that&#x27;s very problematic and I&#x27;ve been spending the last few months trying to move to other services. I&#x27;m slowly migrating my mail (admittedly to Google Apps but I&#x27;ll be switching to a different provider soon), once I&#x27;m done I&#x27;ll nuke the account.<p>That&#x27;s along with Google Docs&#x2F;Drive. BitTorrent Sync actually works very well as an alternative.<p>I can&#x27;t wait till I get to hit delete on this account. Good fucking riddance.
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skerover 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve pretty much given up. Google has deleted my playlists and favorites countless times. Every time they try to integrate YouTube with one of their services&#x2F;account management, I end up losing everything.<p>My only consolation is that Google+ is accumulating a lot of vitriol and hate across the web. It&#x27;s shaping up to be the most hated &quot;social&quot; product in the entire Internet.
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VikingCoderover 11 years ago
Because YouTube comments were completely useless, and now the company is trying to make them useful &#x2F; interesting.<p>If I go to a viral video, and I see comments on it from people I actually KNOW, I personally think that would be really cool. That was completely impossible, the old way.
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ringdabellover 11 years ago
What happened to &quot;don&#x27;t be evil&quot;?<p>The criticism is a bit thick, but the prompts to join G+ are increasingly manipulative and gimmicky, designed almost entirely to _trick_ the user to into signing up + spamming their gmail contacts.<p>A requirement to have G+ account to make youtube comments is just one part of a greater trend that includes:<p>1. Requiring a G+ account to review Android apps in the Play store 2. Cunningly worded join prompts for first-time Android users when they start up their new Android device(s)<p>You know G+ is an abysmal failure when the Page &amp; Co has to force it on users of google&#x27;s other services. C&#x27;mon bro, what gives?<p>The moral superiority narrative that the valley likes to perpetuate vis-a-vis more traditional industries like banking, etc. is increasingly laughable and absurd.<p>Let&#x27;s be real tech bros and broesses. Bidness is bidness.
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OoTheNigerianover 11 years ago
Although it may not be a popular opinion, here is the reason: there is only one Google (at least for social stuff) and one login system now.<p>Google plus is the &quot;Google account&quot; you need to use any of their social services.<p>I am frankly surprised that they allowed the login of their acquisitions to stay fragmented for such a long time.
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doe88over 11 years ago
That way Google+ can claim 1 billion <i>active</i> users and say their service is a huge success, even surpassing their nemesis Facebook.
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da_nover 11 years ago
Tangentially related, my experience with the YouTube&#x2F;Google plus social network merge has been pretty awful. I opted-out initially to integrate with Google plus, I couldn&#x27;t have cared less so I just stuck with my original username&#x2F;account. It seems even though I opted out, Google created a Google plus YouTube profile for me anyway and now chooses to nag me about it every time I go there. I have to pick every time I go to YouTube which &#x27;profile&#x27; I want to use (defaulted to Google plus social network) even though I never wanted this new profile, and I have a big banner telling me I am using YouTube as profile &#x27;x&#x27; permanently stuck at the top just to rub it in.<p>This annoyed me enough that a couple of weeks ago I gave up and tried to integrate it into their social network so I could just have 1 profile. Now it appears I no longer have the option to merge my original profile into Google plus, it just isn&#x27;t there on the account settings. Because I made one decision to opt-out of their social network it seems I will permanently have 2 profiles from this time forward, the Google plus one has none of my history, subscriptions, likes etc it is a completely useless account.
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smanuelover 11 years ago
- Google is afraid of Facebook<p>- Google wants more users in Google+<p>- People don&#x27;t care about Google+<p>- This doesn&#x27;t change the fact that Google is still afraid of Facebook and wants more people to use G+<p>- Google will try to do everything it can to drag you into this service which you won&#x27;t use anyway<p>What&#x27;s so strange about this?
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vereloover 11 years ago
&quot;Because you sold YouTube to Google&quot;<p>In all serious though, I think this just further opens up the door for competing services like Netflix, Instagram and Vine to dig in. With Netflix for my serious video watching, and Vine &#x2F; Instagram for cat videos, I find myself visiting YouTube much less. Requiring a G+ account for comments is the little extra effort that makes me not engage.<p>IMO YouTube on its way to be the MySpace of video.
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jonkneeover 11 years ago
Considering that it was nearly impossible to make YouTube&#x27;s commenting system worse, I&#x27;m interested to see if the G+ integration improves things. For whatever reason YouTube has forever had the lowest quality comments of any site I can think of.
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jaxomlotusover 11 years ago
In answer to his comment: Because you sold it to Google.
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rl12345over 11 years ago
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/WIApJHX.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;WIApJHX.png</a><p>the screenshot, just in case.
jiggy2011over 11 years ago
Surely it wouldn&#x27;t be it couldn&#x27;t be <i>that</i> hard to built a better youtube and seed it with quality content. I&#x27;m surprised nobody has succeeded.<p>Is it just that the costs of serving video require an enormous company or is it that the term youtube is basically synonymous with &quot;internet video&quot;.
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jrs99over 11 years ago
i hate going to youtube and realizing that i&#x27;m signed in and my history is being saved.
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Mindless2112over 11 years ago
Headline is inaccurate, though I can&#x27;t really blame the submitter. jawed occasionally makes comments on YouTube (example: [1]), but eventually hides everything but YouTube&#x27;s first video from his channel (presumably so he can &quot;make his first comment in X years&quot; which then gets headlines).<p>[1] <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo&amp;lc=XBr2JHTM1EEDT3_YVfvISinZ5fjS2Ri-HLNHcLz58Ns" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KaOC9danxNo&amp;lc=XBr2JHTM1EEDT3...</a>
mlyangover 11 years ago
This isn&#x27;t just to make commenting more social (i.e. pushing friends comments to the top)-- I imagine it&#x27;s also largely to hold more people accountable for their comments (w&#x2F; their reputation) so that there aren&#x27;t as many nonsense&#x2F;flame&#x2F;bigoted comments like there always have been on Youtube, and in turn get higher quality comments (e.g. Quora vs. Yahoo answers analogy)
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Kylekramerover 11 years ago
YouTube comments have long been reviled as the worst of the worst the internet has to offer. I don&#x27;t know why people seem to want the status quo.
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ktran03over 11 years ago
I get annoyed by those <i></i><i></i><i>n stupid popups on every video now. Do I really have to close 15 </i><i></i><i></i>* overlays before I can watch a video?? really?<p>Google, how does this add to the experience? How does it make youtube a better product?<p>I won&#x27;t even get started on the asinine recommendation system. Backed by one of the largest companies in the world and the brightest employees in the world. And yet youtube gets crappier every year. Scratching my head on this one.
zaidfover 11 years ago
This is a sad, desperate attempt by Google to take on a competitor(facebook). I wish Google showed as much restraint and care in taking on facebook as facebook is showing in taking on google when it comes to search.
mrpotesover 11 years ago
Is the answer not &quot;Because you sold out&quot;? What did he expect to happen when Google snapped them up?
sdfjklover 11 years ago
I find the web works much better with fewer logins[1]. In my opinion, the old way of using the web, by URL alone, worked best. Want to share something? Copy the URL to your blog, paste it to IRC&#x2F;IM or wherever. Those that actually care enough to follow you will comment on it if they really want to (and you want them to). We never needed those moronic sharing buttons, only those who wanted to track us did. And we don&#x27;t need logins for any of that.<p>[1] I noticed this since using the Self-destructing cookies addon for Firefox, which deletes all cookies for a site when the last tab on that site is closed (unless whitelisted). I&#x27;m whitelisting only a select few sites, and Google&#x2F;YouTube are not among them.
cromwellianover 11 years ago
Here&#x27;s a simple way to improve YouTube. Turn off comments.<p>I have never once, as far as I can remember, read a YouTube comment that was in any way, insightful or provided meaningful information that wasn&#x27;t better obtained elsewhere. It is a cesspool, and the people who are complaining about needing to login to G+ to leave a comment frankly largely intersect with the set of people who are the problem.<p>Honestly, if logging into G+ bothers you, you probably are the kind of person who &quot;shoots from the hip&quot; and doesn&#x27;t put a lot of thought into your comments anyway.<p>I don&#x27;t believe the G+ comments on YouTube are about the idea of real identity being a check against racists, assholes, douchebags, and other comment archetypes. That has failed for Facebook comments and so has up&#x2F;downvoting on YT. Instead, I think it&#x27;s about filtering based on social network sharing.<p>Simply put, if someone shares a link to your video somewhere with their circle of followers, the external thread that develops outside of YT, within that community is likely to be more coherent and cogent, and that will be surfaced in the YT comments especially if you have social affinity with that person.<p>Think about it as a kind of comment federation. What if every YT video that has been linked from HackerNews stories surfaced the HN comments directly under the video on YT if you were in fact, a HackerNews user (had a login). Don&#x27;t you think the HN comment thread would be higher quality than the general YT audience comments? That kind of federation is technically not possible today, because we don&#x27;t have a standard spec for comment upstreaming, but because Google owns G+ and YT, they can do this kind of integration.<p>The reality is, comments from video reshares from people you know, who have small circles of followers, will be higher quality. Someone with 10,000 or 100,000 followers however probably will exhibit the same problems because the probability of bad actors rises with quantity. However, at least you can control this by filtering who you follow.<p>There&#x27;s a general purpose derangement going on with respect to G+ that I just don&#x27;t get. I don&#x27;t like Facebook, never have, I barely ever log into it. I don&#x27;t like social networks in general, I like _interest networks_. But I don&#x27;t throw a hissy fit when most of the sites on the web force me to either create an account, or login with Facebook. I just login with Facebook and go about my business, denying most of the permissions it wants from me. It&#x27;s really not that big of a deal. I don&#x27;t use FB, but it is not a burden on me personally to use it as a single sign on service.<p>The reason why I use G+ is similar to the reason why I use HN or Reddit -- the communities. Simply put, there are more interesting, tightly knit, communities with less annoying, disruptive people on G+ than there is on FB. Maybe that&#x27;s elitist, but that&#x27;s the way it is. Perhaps it&#x27;s the advantage of having less users, less adoption than Facebook. There&#x27;s merit in being a so-called &quot;Ghost Town&quot;, in that anyone willing to live there is more dedicated to the town, and less willing to take a shit on it.
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hardwaresoftonover 11 years ago
I had a hearty laugh at this. Thanks to everyone who made this possible. Walled gardens forever
mcintyre1994over 11 years ago
I don&#x27;t think they&#x27;ve handled the merge well at all, but it happening was both inevitable and sensible. Google+ obviously has much better communication features, and it&#x27;s ridiculous that Youtube didn&#x27;t have them for so long.
Shootiover 11 years ago
IIRC don&#x27;t think this comment was actually made today&#x2F;yesterday. I remember it being linked to a couple a weeks ago when they flipped the switch on G+ comments for the discussion tab and this was his response to that.
peterwwillisover 11 years ago
I thought the point was to reduce the hate-filled screeds by linking their comments to a real profile of a real person. But with the &quot;nyms&quot; fiasco that&#x27;s probably impossible now.
ademover 11 years ago
seems more like a channel status update (or whatever they call it in youtube). i see it as some kind of &quot;what happened to the youtube we built&quot; attitude, which seems appropriate.
visualphoenixover 11 years ago
Larry Page has his office in the G+ building, and has said a number of times he is committed to seeing G+ be a success.<p><a href="http://www.virante.org/blog/2013/04/23/is-google-still-the-future-of-google/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.virante.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2013&#x2F;04&#x2F;23&#x2F;is-google-still-the-f...</a><p>There is a lot of hate for G+ and&#x2F;or the service unification stuff... I personally dislike it - but I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s going away anytime soon.
jamaicahestover 11 years ago
Top comments are about complaining about how people don&#x27;t like youtube, instead of actually debating the actual issue. Seems this site is becoming more like Reddit every day. I love Reddit, but it&#x27;s like beer and cola. I love both, but I love them for their different taste and I don&#x27;t want them to taste the same.
pearjuiceover 11 years ago
So does this increase the quality of comments now that anything you post will turn up in search results with your name?
harimauover 11 years ago
Not only YouTube but everything Google is trying to integrate with G+. When showing a colleague a photo from a trip or looking at a review of something, I don&#x27;t need to be shown as being available for a &quot;hangout&quot;.<p>I&#x27;m not &quot;always available all the time&quot; - I just want to get mundane things done sometimes.
mullingitoverover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m not at all a G+ fan, and yet I wholeheartedly support Google&#x27;s decision to require it for YouTube comments. There is no single policy they could&#x27;ve enacted to improve the quality of their comment cespool, and I feel that the people complaining about it the loudest were likely part of the problem.
filipedeschampsover 11 years ago
Before I clicked the link, I tried to imagine all the possible comments I&#x27;d read, but not this one.
ape4over 11 years ago
It seems with Google+ people can add you but you have no option to reject them. Anybody know a way?
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Springtimeover 11 years ago
Hilarious.
Sarkieover 11 years ago
Blame Steve Jobs. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130122022004/http://silicon-news.com/news/2012/06/17/steve-jobs-google-plus/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20130122022004&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;silicon-ne...</a>
knodiover 11 years ago
Also WTF does it keep asking me if I want to use my real name. SAVE MY FUCKING PERF!!
voorloopnulover 11 years ago
Resistance is futile. Google+ is awesome and soon or later you will be assimilated.
wil421over 11 years ago
I dont want another social media site, and I especially dont want to get forced into using one. I also want to use google&#x27;s apps such has gmail, youtube, and others without having to sign into google+.
rjvover 11 years ago
The Internet never ceases to amaze me. Why does everyone act like a child throwing a tantrum when something changes? Are people that incapable of adapting? It&#x27;s really not that big of a deal.
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personlurkingover 11 years ago
I just tried to comment on a Youtube video and was not asked to sign in to Google+, so not sure what the co-founder is talking about.<p>I don&#x27;t have Google+ but I have a Youtube account.
StandardFutureover 11 years ago
Uh ... these guys have created their own response to the changes on YouTube lol: <a href="http://www.vus.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vus.io</a>
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aestetixover 11 years ago
At this point it seems like Google&#x27;s mission is to help make profit for Apple and Facebook.
ccash71over 11 years ago
check out the CueNotes app for Chrome for YouTube. The CueNotes comment system is much much better, allows you to stay anonymous on YouTube but still get quality comments, follow people, tag stuff by time, etc. really fun.
nclzzover 11 years ago
He&#x27;s a real genius.
thrillgoreover 11 years ago
<i>slow clap</i>
mfaridover 11 years ago
Mischief, thou art afoot !!!
deeteeceeover 11 years ago
the inbox is a mysterious thing to find for me nowadays
mankyproover 11 years ago
Most excellent.
gabrielcbover 11 years ago
So hilarious!
pastulloover 11 years ago
Genius!
ApacheEchoover 11 years ago
Why do they insist on shoving Google+ down people&#x27;s throats. It isn&#x27;t going to work out. It&#x27;s going to crumble and die just like Buzz.
schlegelrockover 11 years ago
Internet you complete me.
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joshuaspauldingover 11 years ago
I find it funny when people complain about shit they get for free.
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