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The Curious Case of Polywater

165 pointsby venutipover 11 years ago

13 comments

jbertover 11 years ago
I think it's unfair to lump the faster-than-light-neutrino experiment in as bad science. They pretty much said "this is really odd, please suggest your explanations".
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suprgeekover 11 years ago
&lt;Minor Spoiler Alert&gt; A very similar experiment today - <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/07/120709-arsenic-space-nasa-science-felisa-wolfe-simon/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.nationalgeographic.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2012&#x2F;07&#x2F;120709-arsen...</a> The Arsenic Life claim that was much ballyhooed by NASA but turned out to to be bad controls in the experiment protocols.<p>In that case as in the Poly-water case, the reason for the initial strange results turned out to be contamination of the Samples. In the Arsenic Life case however the authors continue to deny it and still claim their results are valid. The lead author is now attached to a prestigious institution still doing &quot;science&quot;.
codezeroover 11 years ago
When ever I read articles like this, as well as they are written, I always feel like cutting to the chase: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywater" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Polywater</a>
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Amadouover 11 years ago
Reminds me of a lot of political discourse - it is easy to be skeptical of people you want to be wrong, it is hard to be skeptical of people you agree with.
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varelseover 11 years ago
Even more curious is that if Peter Kollman (referenced below) hadn&#x27;t died of cancer, he would likely have shared this year&#x27;s Nobel Prize for molecular dynamics:<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v233/n5321/abs/233550a0.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;nature&#x2F;journal&#x2F;v233&#x2F;n5321&#x2F;abs&#x2F;233550a0...</a><p>Whoever said there are no second acts in America was crazy.
mcguireover 11 years ago
Water is pretty weird without going too far out of your way to come up with new weirdnesses.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Phases" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ice#Phases</a>
fernlyover 11 years ago
A much closer parallel is the case of N-Rays [0]. Major scientific sensation that eventually turned out to be wishful observation.<p>[0]<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-rays" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;N-rays</a>
adambomover 11 years ago
&gt; They proposed that instead of the Van der Waals forces that normally draw water molecules gently together, polywater was composed of molecules locked in place by stronger chemical bonds, somehow catalyzed by the quartz capillary tubes.<p>Aren&#x27;t water molecules held together by relatively strong Hydrogen bonds? And if there are stronger bonds in polywater, what are they, then, covalent bonds?
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anigbrowlover 11 years ago
Notwithstanding the error, the properties described seem like they might be useful in some contexts, eg the low freezing point.
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atdepthover 11 years ago
This book is an excellent account of the whole fiasco: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Polywater-Felix-Franks/dp/0262560291/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1383955774&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=0262560291" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Polywater-Felix-Franks&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0262560291&#x2F;r...</a>
VladRussian2over 11 years ago
lets hope graphene is real :)
snthover 11 years ago
Heh - spoilers for Cat&#x27;s Cradle.
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narratorover 11 years ago
With any of these scientific breakthrough the proof is in the pudding. They&#x27;ve got to get some sort of prototype invention that uses their science to validate it. If they can&#x27;t get their prototype device to work then something&#x27;s wrong with the science.
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