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PiCloud has joined Dropbox

47 pointsby aseidlover 11 years ago

8 comments

cschmidtover 11 years ago
As a very happy user of PiCloud, I&#x27;m sad to see it go. It is a shame they had such A-list VC&#x27;s (Andreessen Horowitz, Kleiner Perkins Caufield &amp; Byers, and Greylock Partners), who don&#x27;t have an interest in just a good solid business. They only wanted a huge, home run.<p>I&#x27;ve been looking around for a good replacement, and there is a gap. PiCloud really had three components. The first was an ability to run code with arbitrary dependencies with no more than a second start up time. PiCloud called them environments. This is really the same problem Docker is addressing. Both were using LXC and AUFS to solve the problem. Unfortunately, Docker-as-a-service is very early days. People like orchardup.com are getting there, but so far only have hourly pricing. There is enginedock.com which has per minute pricing, but is it super early on. I&#x27;m in a &quot;Docker gap&quot;, where these services are really not at the same level that PiCloud was.<p>The second was the nice Python API, RESTful interface, and the command line interface for triggering off jobs, querying when the finish, and getting the results. That part will presumably be open sourced, but it is really all tied in to the hosting portion.<p>Then the third level is to have a bunch of machine you can load balance across, to allow per second pricing on AWS. They had such lovely high memory, high CPU machines to run on. The split up some of the biggest EC2 cluster instances, and you could run each process on your 1&#x2F;8 share. The nearest current replacement is iron.io&#x27;s IronWorker. However, they only have 320MB per job, which doesn&#x27;t work for my application. Also Heroku workers are billed per second, but they only have up to 1GB of memory. I&#x27;m hoping that this (new?) entity Multyvac can serve that role successfully. Hopefully, they&#x27;ll tell us more detail on this soon.<p>Anyway, best of luck to the PiCloud team. You were great. Especially Aaron who did much of the tech support. Thanks.
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ibejoebover 11 years ago
Oh man, two things: first, I wonder what DropBox will do with PiCloud, and second, I feel like a dodged a bullet. I kinda hate saying that, since it always turns up on these threads, but it&#x27;s just true.<p>I had been working seriously on converting a financial application to run on PiCloud. It&#x27;s mid-November. In the hundred days until they cease operations, I would have had to deal with 10-K filings for my clients <i>and</i> scramble to get the hell out of there, just in time for Q1. What an absolute mess that would have been.<p>No other time would have been much better, and I know there&#x27;s an API compatible replacement in the works, but I&#x27;ve been there, and I&#x27;m sure something would have freaked out.<p>Whatever happened to having some kind of reasonable transition period where the buyer continues to support all of its clients? PiCloud, your product was really neat. DropBox, I really wish you wouldn&#x27;t just hit it and quit it.
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dwielover 11 years ago
At PlotWatt, we&#x27;ve been using the picloud&#x27;s pickler for a while in our own implementation of the picloud job queue. We don&#x27;t have all of the bells and whistles that their service did, but running our own queue made it easier to control the details like the number of machines, environment and network configuration, though we tried them out first before their environments feature was set up, so they might have solved most of those problems by now.<p>Anyway, if anyone is interested in seeing even a bare-bones python function queue based on picloud&#x27;s pickler, get in touch and maybe we can open source what we have and build it out a little more. Its not open source right now just because its tied into some of our other libraries, but if there is interest, we could probably split it all up.
gpjtover 11 years ago
Sorry to see these guys go, they were a great company to have in the Python space (though they did branch out to other languages, I think).<p>When we started PythonAnywhere they were right up there on the list of potential competitors, though as it turned out our early adopters steered us more in the direction of hosting and lightweight computation (ping an API periodically and do stuff with the results) rather than heavy-duty computing.<p>The big problem with VC backing is that they really want $1bn exits. For them, Heroku&#x27;s $200MM exit to Salesforce was almost a failure. I guess they couldn&#x27;t see PiCloud going that way, so they chose not to invest again. Better to put the cash into a more likely-looking moonshot.<p>IMO this is a pity, because there are a bunch of smaller-than-$1bn but still solid companies that are getting starved of funding. The business-to-developer space is particularly prone to that kind of issue; it&#x27;s less of a winner-takes-all market, so the big wins that VCs want are rarer than they are in other markets.
curiouslearnover 11 years ago
So sad to see PiCloud go. They made parallel computation so easy to implement. Their service was really well-built.
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zokierover 11 years ago
What&#x27;s PiCloud and what&#x27;s Multyvac, and what does all this mean?
kunleover 11 years ago
Just checked out www.multyvac.com, which has webvan, boo.com, etoys and lehman brothers listed as customers. What&#x27;s the joke? Not sure I get it.
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joschuover 11 years ago
Love the Isaac Asimov reference in &quot;Multyvac&quot;<p>I use Picloud for my CS PhD research, I hope to be able to continue with Multyvac or the open-source version.