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Blame Rich, Overeducated Elites as Our Society Frays

152 pointsby irishjohnnieover 11 years ago

17 comments

tokenizerover 11 years ago
While this was a decent article highlighting an interesting point about the impending collapse of the US, this part was obviously classist:<p>&gt; There was a wave of terrorism by labor radicals and anarchists.<p>Yes. Terrorism gave us the 40 hour workweek, and in my country of Canada, single payer healthcare...
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pwnnaover 11 years ago
Interesting article. I have not seen a lot of quantitative studies on society in general (that is probably personal bias, however).<p>Is it wrong to say that a lot of the root cause of this is from capitalism? Is socialism a better solution for more complicated societies like the ones we have today?
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leocover 11 years ago
From &#x2F;Nationalism&#x2F; by Elie Kedourie <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nationalism-Elie-Kedourie/dp/0631188851/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Nationalism-Elie-Kedourie&#x2F;dp&#x2F;063118885...</a> <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/title/nationalism/oclc/27812918" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.worldcat.org&#x2F;title&#x2F;nationalism&#x2F;oclc&#x2F;27812918</a> :<p>&quot;The writers who invented and elaborated the post-Kantian theory of the state belonged to a caste which was relatively low on the social scale. They were, most of them, the sons of pastors, artisans, or small farmers. They somehow managed to become university students, most often in the faculty of theology, and last out the duration of their course on minute grants, private lessons, and similar makeshifts. When they graduated they found that their knowledge opened no doors, that they were still in the same social class, looked down upon by a nobility which was stupid, unlettered, and which engrossed the public employments they felt themselves so capable of filling. These students and ex-students felt in them the power to do great things, they had culture, knowledge, ability, they yearned for the life of action, its excitements and rewards, and yet there they were, doomed to spend heartbreaking years as indigent curates waiting to be appointed pastors, or as tutors in some noble household, where they were little better than superior domestics, or as famished writers dependent on the goodwill of an editor or a publisher.&quot;<p>This group produced colourful people like Karl Sand <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ludwig_Sand" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Karl_Ludwig_Sand</a> , and of course an ideology which was eventually to burn Europe down at least a couple of times. Substitute engineering for theology and you have a pretty accurate description of many of the angry young men of the present-day Middle East too.
devindotcomover 11 years ago
&quot;Overeducated&quot; =&#x2F;= lawyers. Society isn&#x27;t &quot;fraying,&quot; either — it is a time of accelerated change brought on by a number of factors such as globalism, the Internet, and so on.<p>Distribution of wealth and the purchase of politics are serious problems, but this article doesn&#x27;t seem very on the mark.
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mrcactu5over 11 years ago
<p><pre><code> The roots of the current American predicament go back to the 1970s, when wages of workers stopped keeping pace with their productivity. </code></pre> * head explode *<p>So this has been going on for the past 40 years and we have stopped questioning it?<p>What if you were Black or a woman in the 70&#x27;s? Did wages ever keep up with productivity in the first place?
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zaguiosover 11 years ago
Look at the graph the article presents for US political violence. It&#x27;s actually at or near an all time low, they just added a new &quot;category&quot; of terrorism to inflate recent numbers. The cycle may or may not actually exist, but if it does we&#x27;re almost as far away from a spike as you can get.
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alexeisadeski3over 11 years ago
I hope that this article is a witty attempt at self satire!
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spadaover 11 years ago
Overeducated? What is the optimal level of education?
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kokeyover 11 years ago
&quot;Increasing inequality leads not only to the growth of top fortunes; it also results in greater numbers of wealth-holders. The “1 percent” becomes “2 percent.” Or even more.&quot;<p>So, a larger percentage of wealthy people in society is a product of _more_ inequality? My brain has a bit of trouble with that statement.
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tootieover 11 years ago
<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/panichistory" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;panichistory</a>
knownover 11 years ago
<a href="http://www.monbiot.com/2011/11/07/the-self-attribution-fallacy" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.monbiot.com&#x2F;2011&#x2F;11&#x2F;07&#x2F;the-self-attribution-falla...</a>
squozzerover 11 years ago
Keep in mind the problem aren&#x27;t the elites, their success in reproduction which causes the imbalance between their numbers and the number of (suitable) positions available to them.<p>After all, a core tenet of The American Dream™ states one must do better - in terms of social status - than one&#x27;s forebears.<p>And when was the last time you heard a college professor brag about having a mechanic for a son? Not that there&#x27;s anything wrong with either profession when they act honestly.<p>I kind of dig the analysis, as it resembles Asimov&#x27;s psychohistory, but it&#x27;s still a bit haphazard because the analyst assumes some kind of periodicity to the phenomenon.<p>This kind of work lends itself to other questions, such as whether one can increase its&#x27; predictive power by analyzing social artifacts such as music, books or visual arts.
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cafardover 11 years ago
It is kind of a property owned by Michael Bloomberg to warn us off rich elites.
jgalt212over 11 years ago
Our society is fraying because folks like Mitt Romney think it&#x27;s OK to not pay taxes for 10 years, and then run for President.
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amerika_blogover 11 years ago
These rich, overeducated elites seem to all be Ivy League style Frankfurt School liberals.<p>Just sayin&#x27;
SloughFegover 11 years ago
Of course, let&#x27;s blame the elite&#x27;s for all our societal woes. Humans are rather good at blaming everyone for problems but themselves.
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alexeisadeski3over 11 years ago
Inequality is actually down, but hey - believe whatever you want.<p><a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2013/11/world-inequality-is-down.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.overcomingbias.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;world-inequality-is-do...</a>
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