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Best countries to work and live in as a developer

30 pointsby sebkomianosover 11 years ago

20 comments

jbaiterover 11 years ago
I think those values are really skewed... According to their graph, average monthly net income in Germany is over $4000, I don't know any developer here who earns that much. I guess a lot of folks entered their income before taxes, which is more realistic. If you earn $4000 before taxes in Germany, you get to take home roughly half of that after taxes and the mandatory social security and health insurance payments.
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shubbover 11 years ago
I can tell you the UK values are screwed up. No one I know earns that kind of money, and it&#x27;s not just me (see here [1]).<p>Reading HackerNews makes me feel like there is a subset of very well paid developers. I am curious what makes them different from normal ones.<p>In London, the differentiator may be working in finance. I recall applying for a job at an investment bank a while ago (which I didn&#x27;t get because I had &#x27;good technical skills, but no experience of finance&#x27; apparently. Rarrr), which told me it would pay about double my current level. Conversely, I interviewed at Sony, building the web application behind the PS4, and was offered at a similar level to my current pay (now in the mid 20ks, started rather lower). This was for midlevel.<p>If you are reading this, and are in the &#x27;lucky&#x27; group, how did you make that luck?<p>I write this because I think there is some network effect here - I am sure there are high and low paid lawyers, but I have no idea what differentiates them. Similarly, whithin my subset of software, I know people skills, landing clients, and raw programming ability are differentiators, but I wouldn&#x27;t know what differentiator explains this wage cliff.<p><a href="http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/junior-web-developer-salary/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgiseverything.co.uk&#x2F;articles&#x2F;junior-web-developer-s...</a>
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andyjohnson0over 11 years ago
Where &quot;best&quot; is based only on size of salary.<p>What about: cost of living, number of startups, number of large employers, housing costs, quality of life?<p>Edit: Changed &quot;life quality&quot; to &quot;quality of life&quot;.
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mikegriffover 11 years ago
Gah! Another site that throws up an overlay to get yout email address when you&#x27;re trying to read the article. It made me leave straight away without finishing it.<p>Why do that? Does it really have that good a return?
midhirover 11 years ago
Seriously surprised Ireland doesn&#x27;t figure anywhere on this.<p>Salary inflation here is creating a national gravity well in Dublin&#x2F;Leinster, where several multinational tech companies have their EU HQs (Google, Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, Yahoo!, Paypal) amongst a nation of just 6m people. Several of these have got together to run a rest-of-Europe campaign to fill 3000+ positions in Ireland. (Can&#x27;t find link now, will ref later).
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thetxefover 11 years ago
I guess this survey does not have enough data points for all countries? There is no way Spain has a bigger avg salary than France for devs.
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egeozcanover 11 years ago
Well, interesting data but the author should really give <a href="http://tabcloseddidntread.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tabcloseddidntread.com</a> a visit.
bowlofpetuniasover 11 years ago
It&#x27;s corrected for cost of living, but when you look at the source for that data (<a href="http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.numbeo.com&#x2F;cost-of-living&#x2F;rankings_by_country.jsp</a>), you may notice that many of the countries that have a very high cost of living are also the ones known for a very high <i>quality</i> of living. Some countries give back considerable more in exchange for those costs.<p>In places like the UK you should really distinguish between London and the rest of the UK. Or SV and the rest of the US.<p>Also, more than half of the countries listed are inside the EU, which for developers is definitely a single market with few barriers.
DominikRover 11 years ago
The problem with this chart is that it doesn&#x27;t consider quality of life. (safety, environment, education, social system)<p>Canada for example has good salaries while having a quality of life that is comparable to western european countries, yet it is nowhere to be found on this chart.<p>I am living in Vienna, Austria which tops most quality of life surveys, but I wouldn&#x27;t consider moving to Egypt (which is on that list) even if I could earn there 10x as much.<p>What&#x27;s the point in being a millionaire when you have to live in constant fear of being abducted or killed.
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guard-of-terraover 11 years ago
Why is it solely about money? It does account for purchasing power (fixed) but what about quality of life? It&#x27;s a multi-parameter equation.
inDigiNeousover 11 years ago
US of A is the Best!<p>Seriously though. There is more to life than how much money you make. Quality of living, nature, clean water, clean air, amount of cars and so on.<p>I once wanted to work in Silicon Valley, and I have worked there for a while. But considering the politics of USA, like basically you are being watched everywhere, I wouldn&#x27;t want anymore.
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Uberphallusover 11 years ago
That&#x27;s not accurate at all. I left Spain and arrived to France for a dramatic salary increase, close to 50% more. Even more impressive taking into account I&#x27;ve done it from a big city to a small city (in Paris this would be closer to a 100% increase).<p>Yet in the graph they are pretty much around the same, with Spain listed higher.
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MetaCosmover 11 years ago
Self-selected online survey... <i>yawn</i>
meiraover 11 years ago
Replying based mainly in the post title, Brazil is probably one of the worst ranked countries on the list. The average salary is low and everything is expensive right now.
3pt14159over 11 years ago
Garbage data. Canada isn&#x27;t even on the list.
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bruno2over 11 years ago
Portugal sucks in every way, not only for developers. Only consider coming here for vacation, this country is really on its kneels.
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TeamMCSover 11 years ago
I&#x27;d love to see this with a wider set of results. Also it would be good to include freelance&#x2F;contract staff also.
ohwpover 11 years ago
Note: ~1600 datapoints from around the world.
qwertaover 11 years ago
Article totally ignores remote work. If you leave out local salary the best criteria would probably be:<p>* weather<p>* local people<p>* how expensive the country is<p>* connectivity speed<p>* proximity to good airport
duiker101over 11 years ago
5k average for the uk? no.