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Why are Internet standards called “Request for Comments”?

85 pointsby jasoncrawfordover 11 years ago

6 comments

tptacekover 11 years ago
It&#x27;s interesting and a little ironic to observe how the IETF has evolved over the last 30 years.<p>Time was, the IETF was more than the standardization effort for the Internet; it was also an intellectual response to the institutional standards body of the day, the CCITT&#x2F;ITU-T. Where the ITU was bogged down by process, riven by commercial interests and infighting, and unapproachable by researchers, the IETF was animated by &quot;rough consensus and working code&quot;.<p>Clearly, in the contest between the ITU-T (CLNP) and IETF (IP), the ITU-T lost.<p>Presumably, many hundreds of people were involved in telecoms standardization at ITU-T. Where do we suppose those people went? Did they just give up on their work? Or did they instead migrate to the IETF? Either way: the IETF functions more like the ITU-T today than like the IETF of 1994. &quot;Standards&quot; are owned by denizens of the IETF process; new functionality unknown to the Internet is specified in standards documents before it&#x27;s ever implemented, or, better yet, &quot;standardized&quot; in opposition to working code.<p>I&#x27;d tentatively suggest that the IETF has served its purpose, and is now at risk of outliving it.
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Slackwiseover 11 years ago
I like how hovering over &quot;kudos&quot;, in an attempt to understand what it is, automatically performs an action I didn&#x27;t want to perform. And there is no undo.<p>Great UI there, guys. I like how you focus on aesthetic novelty instead of functionality, but I guess that explains why you&#x27;re hiding the UI all over the site until you hover over crap [1].<p>[1]: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_meat_navigation" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mystery_meat_navigation</a>
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waterlionover 11 years ago
Is what passes for a blog post? Copy-pasting 4 paragraphs out of a book?
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wpietriover 11 years ago
One of the things that I love about RFCs is that they&#x27;re an existence proof.<p>Sometimes I&#x27;ll get asked, &quot;How can we have a successful organization without a lot of top-down control of X?&quot; where X is something like architecture or process or coding standards or furniture choice. When people see problems, they imagine solutions pushed through a power structure. And of course, they imagine themselves as the ones in power, forgetting how many bullshit edicts they&#x27;ve had to deal with over the years.<p>The Internet and its RFCs are my favorite existence proof that you don&#x27;t need centralized control to get good design and reliable systems. Indeed, you could argue that the Internet, beat out the other early networks <i>because</i> it wasn&#x27;t centrally controlled.
ams6110over 11 years ago
Makes sense to request comments and input as standards are being developed, but I always wondered why these documents never graduate from &quot;RFC&quot; to &quot;Specification&quot; which is what they ultimately really are.
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tiffaniover 11 years ago
It&#x27;s interesting that the name &quot;Request for Comments&quot; invokes &quot;Oh, this is a club that I can play in too,&quot; as this is the impression I&#x27;ve gotten as I&#x27;ve read increasingly more of them lately and learn how they come to exist at all.