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Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu

35 pointsby georgebashiover 11 years ago

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ggchappellover 11 years ago
FTA:<p>&gt; Lots of researchers post PDFs of their own papers on their own web-sites. It’s always been so, because even though technically it’s in breach of the copyright transfer agreements that we blithely sign, ....<p>Not true. Copyright transfer agreements vary a great deal. I&#x27;ve published a few papers, and these days I don&#x27;t sign any transfer agreement without reading it. A fair number of them specifically allow for posting copies of papers on personal websites.[1]<p>Probably the Elsevier agreement does not allow it. But since they&#x27;ve gotten so much poor publicity, no one who publishes with them has any excuse for being unaware of the consequences.<p>[1] OTOH, I&#x27;m in math&#x2F;comp. sci., and Mike Tayor is in paleontology; maybe things are different in that field.<p>---------------------------------<p>EDIT. More FTA:<p>&gt; Rich FitzJohn speculated: I wonder what their long game is here; petty harassment like that makes me way less inclined to publish in an Elsevier journal.<p>Seriously? After ridiculous subscription prices, aggressively making publicly funded research difficult to get at, revelations of fake &quot;peer-reviewed&quot; journals, paying for shill reviews, the resignations of several editorial boards, more than a year of a widely publicized boycott, and now this, he&#x27;s just &quot;way less inclined to publish&quot;. What does it take to get people to stop?<p>Alas, I know the answer. It is that tenure &amp; promotion committees stop considering publications in journals like Elsevier&#x27;s to be worth a lot more than publications in journals that are run ethically.
davidgerardover 11 years ago
Alicia Wise, from Elsevier, claims this is only final versions. That they <i>never</i> go after preprints on authors&#x27; own hosting.<p>This claim is, of course, false. <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4527505&amp;cid=45622313" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;science.slashdot.org&#x2F;comments.pl?sid=4527505&amp;cid=4562...</a><p>I have asked her for an explanation; I&#x27;m sure it will be of interest.
davidgerardover 11 years ago
This has also made the news:<p><a href="http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/posting-your-latest-article-you-might-have-to-take-it-down/48865" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chronicle.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;wiredcampus&#x2F;posting-your-latest-a...</a> <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/12/06/1945224/elsevier-going-after-authors-sharing-their-own-papers" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;science.slashdot.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;13&#x2F;12&#x2F;06&#x2F;1945224&#x2F;elsevier-...</a><p>Those defending Elsevier need to keep in mind Elsevier’s fraudulent pseudojournals, blatant scientific fraud for marketing cash. Elsevier passed the “reasonable doubt” event horizon long ago. <a href="http://kmccready.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/elsevier-shoots-itself-in-the-face-again/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;kmccready.wordpress.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;06&#x2F;elsevier-shoots-it...</a>
ivan_ahover 11 years ago
Actually, this totally makes sense to me.<p>If you post on papers on your ~home&#x2F; page it is fine, but if you give your papers to a third party which operates a for profit website then it is not the same.<p>I am generally not a big fan of Elsevier, but in this case I am totally with them on the matter.
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