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Most Printers Secretly Add Their Serial # to Everything They Print

39 pointsby DannyDoveralmost 16 years ago

10 comments

imajesalmost 16 years ago
Note: As of October 13th, 2005, some information in this paper may be out of date. Please visit <a href="http://eff.org/issues/printers" rel="nofollow">http://eff.org/issues/printers</a> for the most up-to-date information on this project<p>(in other words, be more careful with your titles relating to papers that are REALLY out of date)
jwsalmost 16 years ago
This only applies to color laser printers and color copiers. Your inkjet printer is just fine.<p>The wikipedia article on laser printers links to a nice sample on a 1cm ruler... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Printer_Stenography_Illustration.png" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Printer_Stenography_Illust...</a><p>The part of this that I find most interesting is that these have been known since the 90s and in 2005 there was a flurry of interest as some of the schemes were decoded, but I have never seen an authoritative reason why they are there. Does some entity in the US government require them? By what legal mechanism? Are the printer manufacturers trying to avoid liability for manufacturing counterfeiting equipment?
slackenernyalmost 16 years ago
Most qulity copiers won't xero you a banknote bill: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation</a>
KWDalmost 16 years ago
Sensationalistic and bad title for this submission. It's not 'most printers', it's color laser printers. And that's not even going into it being a 4 year old article.
rglovejoyalmost 16 years ago
Even if the Secret Service can find the manufacturer and serial number info in a document, how can they match this information with the end user if he/she does not turn in a warranty card?<p>I can think of a couple of scenarios:<p>1) During the driver installation process, the serial number and the user info stored on the system is (edit: could be) sent to the manufacturer. This might be defeated by using an open OS and drivers. The user could also use the printer with a system that is never connected to the Net.<p>2) The Secret Service would be able to track the printer down to the store where it was purchased. The retailer would be able to supply credit/debit receipts, but what if the buyer pays for the printer with cash? The Secret Service would have to rely on the store's video surveillance system (who knows how long they keep these records?) or on eyewitness descriptions from the store clerks and cashiers (which may not be too reliable).
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DannyDoveralmost 16 years ago
With regards to the constructive criticism about the date of the article, thank you and I will keep that in mind next time.<p>I submitted this article because I genuinely thought it was interesting and wanted to share it with like minded tech savvy people. (My real life friends wouldn't really care about this :-p)<p>I chose to submit this page rather than the newer version ( <a href="http://eff.org/issues/printers" rel="nofollow">http://eff.org/issues/printers</a> ) because I found the image of the dots on this webpage very interesting. I figured if people were interested they could click the "For up-to-date" information link. I will save everyone a click next time.
tomealmost 16 years ago
Do these "watermarks" survive a photocopying?<p>If not: print out one copy and photocopy from it as many as you need before destroying the original.
dan_the_welderalmost 16 years ago
Wait, you mean that my yellow ink consumption is artificially high because of some serial numbering scheme secretly put on my printer?<p>Class action lawsuit anyone?
quizbizalmost 16 years ago
this should not be news
GeneralMaximusalmost 16 years ago
Interesting article. I'm glad that the EFF tries to reasonably present its arguments and provides not only supporting evidence, but also does some work towards decrypting the information added to laser printouts.<p>Unlike, um, <i>some people</i>.