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'Pardon Snowden,' one tech exec tells Obama, report says

150 pointsby fraqedover 11 years ago

14 comments

ilamontover 11 years ago
This is a self-serving opportunity for Mark Pincus to look like the good guy, after years of acting like a tyrant when he was in charge of Zynga. I&#x27;m not just talking about pushing games designed to exploit users in various ways. Remember the incident where Pincus &quot;demanded certain employees surrender some shares or be fired&quot;? (1) He also laid off more than 500 people earlier this year,(2) managed problems by &quot;address(ing) the symptoms rather than the root causes&quot;(3) and padded his own nest while loyal investors who stuck with Zynga stock got roasted.(4)<p>Appearing in a photo opp with Obama and saying &quot;free Snowden&quot; is a low risk way for him to improve his image among his peers (rich Silicon Valley people) and the public.<p>1. <a href="http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204621904577018373223480802" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;online.wsj.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;SB1000142405297020462190...</a><p>2. <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2013/06/03/zynga-layoffs-mark-pincus/2385291/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;tech&#x2F;gaming&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;03&#x2F;zynga-l...</a><p>3. <a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/3007544/where-are-they-now/mark-pincuss-clowns-are-still-haunting-zynga" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastcompany.com&#x2F;3007544&#x2F;where-are-they-now&#x2F;mark-p...</a><p>4. <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2013/07/01/the-fall-of-mark-pincus-from-billionaire-to-zyngas-former-ceo/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;ryanmac&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;01&#x2F;the-fall-of-m...</a>
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dprattover 11 years ago
&quot;The Obama administration has stated that if Snowden were to return to the United States, he would receive protection under due process laws.&quot;<p>That sure is nice of them.<p>How did it get to a point where this is actually up for debate? It sure sounds to me like that&#x27;s a statement from somebody who thinks that they have options in how Snowden should be treated by the government.
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Draco6slayerover 11 years ago
With all that&#x27;s being said about the NSA, and how we should add self-restraint, with all that the government is admitting about the current state of the NSA being bad, why not?<p>If it&#x27;s that clear that Snowden did the right thing, why not pardon him? I feel that not pardoning Snowden is roughly equivalent to making a statement that people should be in the dark about the government&#x27;s spying programs, and that the government should be free to spy on its people, unchecked.
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cschmidtover 11 years ago
Here is the list of people who Obama <i>has</i> pardoned:<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Barack_Obama" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bara...</a><p>It looks like many of them were just erasing the record of those who committed minor crimes a long time ago. I wonder how you get to be so lucky.
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peatmossover 11 years ago
Pardoning Snowden has practical upsides for the President and NSA apart from morals, ethics, or scoring popularity points with tech execs. Namely, by pardoning Snowden, there&#x27;s a good chance they can get him back on U.S. soil and possibly prevent more leaks that are damaging in other ways.<p>It strikes me that much of Snowden&#x27;s original leaking was protecting civil liberties for U.S. citizens--let&#x27;s call that patriotism. And it seems that reasonable people and federal judges agree that knowing about and fixing these abuses is a Good Thing.<p>As it stands now, the heavy handed government rhetoric &#x2F; smear campaign, combined with the threat of legal (or worse, extra-legal) penalties at home, might make anyone skittish. And a skittish guy with a whole lot of government secrets seems like a Bad Thing.<p>So, let&#x27;s bring this guy home and throw him some parades before Russia, China, Iran, and everyone else knows everything about our cyber warfare capacity--i.e. &quot;legitimate&quot; spy stuff that all nations take part in.
dansoover 11 years ago
Kind of strange that in a discussion that is ostensibly related to the disastrous Healthcare.gov, that you&#x27;d invite the CEO of a gaming company that thrives off of manipulating users through gamification. I know Zynga has been successful in many ways that most could only hope to emulate...but really, there weren&#x27;t more relevant CEOs to bring to the table?<p>But good for Pincus for asking the question. How embarrassing it is for Obama to equivocate on morality and principles with a CEO whose gaming company is often criticized for having neither.
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mikeashover 11 years ago
My first reaction was, &quot;Cool!&quot;<p>Then I got to thinking about it a little more, and I can&#x27;t figure out why this is the <i>least</i> bit interesting.<p>&quot;Pardon Snowden&quot; is a pretty common sentiment among the tech crowd. And tech execs <i>generally</i> follow the same sort of opinions as the rest of us. I&#x27;m sure there are substantial differences, but there&#x27;s no surprise that there would be tech execs who think Snowden should be pardoned.<p>So then what <i>is</i> the supposed surprise? That the guy was brave enough to actually voice his opinion to the President? This is not the USSR and you don&#x27;t get thrown in the gulag for expressing an opinion that the President disagrees with.
walshemjover 11 years ago
The last thing Ed Snowden needs is a shady character like Pinicus vouching for him what next will Donald Trump get in the act or gorgeous George Galloway MP.<p>He needs some higher quality supporters if he does want to negotiate a way out of his predicament
wavefunctionover 11 years ago
Until that exec is willing to state their support for a pardon in public, this is all just a bunch of PR for Obama and the big tech companies.
znowiover 11 years ago
Now wait and see how top tech execs will be gaining cheap karma points during this &quot;call for reform&quot; campaign.
pablovidal85over 11 years ago
Obama cannot pardon somebody who&#x27;s not a criminal, in any case he may be a witness or a liar.
batemanesqueover 11 years ago
well, if a tech exec says it...
contextualover 11 years ago
Edward Snowden is the Martin Luther King Jr. of my generation. History will vindicate this man and hail him as a hero. It&#x27;s great to see at least <i>one</i> tech exec with the courage to speak up for him.
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Bahamutover 11 years ago
Just a note, the president cannot pardon someone who has not been convicted yet I believe.
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