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Academics Against Mass Surveillance

122 pointsby jobstijlover 11 years ago

8 comments

javajoshover 11 years ago
Anyone who throws their hands up in the air (and I&#x27;m talking to you yodsanklai and JoeAltmaier, dobbsbob...and basically 80% of the people on this thread) but YOU are a big part of the problem. It doesn&#x27;t matter even if the petition is totally ineffectual to change things on it&#x27;s own: it&#x27;s value is in it&#x27;s very existence, and it signals a strong position against something that is very, very wrong with our society at the moment. No movement ever started fully formed like Aphrodite from the head of Zues - they all must start somewhere.<p>So please, if you agree with the desired outcome, why would you naysay ANY attempt to change things, no matter how &quot;naive&quot; or &quot;ineffectual&quot; or &quot;pointless&quot;? Is it not better to have good people speaking truth to power, even if they are not listened to?<p>All I ask is that you consider this question before criticizing someone else&#x27;s attempt to <i>advocate for positions that you yourselves agree with</i>.
yodsanklaiover 11 years ago
I suppose pretty much everybody is against mass surveillance, academics or not. But what choice do we have? I think the problem is that we don&#x27;t really live in democracies. It&#x27;s not only mass surveillance, but also wars, inequalities and so on...
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dobbsbobover 11 years ago
I don&#x27;t agree with petitions. Not only do they get ignored but here they use it against you in politics later when public opinion changes, plus it&#x27;s a list for marketers. Instead harass your local representative mercilessly with letters and espcially angry phone calls those get noticed eventually.
f_salmonover 11 years ago
Shouldn&#x27;t the US list be much, much longer taking into account the size of the various countries?
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JoeAltmaierover 11 years ago
While I agree in principle, opposing surveillance is like pissing into the wind. Privacy is becoming extinct. Soon devices and technologies will be impossible to regulate - specks of dust that record sound and location; recorders that stick to clothing, hair, skin; phones and tablets that come pre-infected in their OS and hardware.<p>We can oppose it, and maybe stave off for a few years, but inevitably we are all going under the microscope. Better to design new social mechanisms to protect against misuse of the data, than try and prevent its collection.
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plgover 11 years ago
Is anyone else thinking that this is like signing up for a no-spam list? In other words, an invitation for spam?
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amiroucheover 11 years ago
must read: <a href="http://cultureandempire.com/‎" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cultureandempire.com&#x2F;‎</a>
rikacometover 11 years ago
none from India?