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Supercomputer takes 40 minutes to simulate 1 second of a human brain

45 pointsby kirtijthoratover 11 years ago

14 comments

archgoonover 11 years ago
Better writeup (cites sources!) and discussion from 5 months ago.<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6157157" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6157157</a><p>And the Riken Lab press release<p><a href="http://www.riken.jp/en/pr/press/2013/20130802_1/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.riken.jp&#x2F;en&#x2F;pr&#x2F;press&#x2F;2013&#x2F;20130802_1&#x2F;</a><p>This is a link to the poster presentation. There does not seem to be a full paper associated with this research yet.<p><a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2202/14/S1/P163" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.biomedcentral.com&#x2F;1471-2202&#x2F;14&#x2F;S1&#x2F;P163</a><p>The NEST simulator (The researchers Morrison and Diesman are integral people on this project):<p><a href="http://www.nest-initiative.org/index.php/Software:About_NEST" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nest-initiative.org&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;Software:About_NEST</a>
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gilgoomeshover 11 years ago
&gt; The experiment on simulated human brain activity involved 1.73 billion virtual nerve cells that were connected to 10.4 trillion virtual synapses<p>So... 1-2 orders of magnitude smaller than a human brain. From Wikipedia:<p>&gt; One estimate puts the human brain at about 100 billion (10^11) neurons and 100 trillion (10^14) synapses<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron#Neurons_in_the_brain" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Neuron#Neurons_in_the_brain</a><p>Assuming linear scaling, that would put an actual simulated second of human brain neural activity somewhere between 6 hours and 2 days.
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Ellipsis753over 11 years ago
Even if this was actually simulating a proper human brain it&#x27;s still a silly comparison. Even now a modern computer struggles to simulate an old SNES perfectly at full speed. A SNES is vastly slower than a modern computer but the additional cost of emulating something can be very high indeed depending on how accurate you want the simulating to be. A computer is also very general purpose. I&#x27;m sure that some custom built chips and electronics would be much better at simulating these kinds of networks.
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raldiover 11 years ago
Great, we&#x27;re only 11 doublings away. By Moore&#x27;s Law, that means we should have AI ready just in time for it to fix the Year 2038 problem.
edoloughlinover 11 years ago
<i>it is still hard pressed to compete with the brain in your head reading this article.<p>It took K around 40 minutes to simulate just 1 single second of human brain activity, even with all of its performance prowess. The experiment on simulated human brain activity involved 1.73 billion virtual nerve cells that were connected to 10.4 trillion virtual synapses, with every virtual synapse containing 24 bytes of memory.</i><p>There&#x27;s no way the brain in my head could simulate 1.73bn nerve cells in 40 minutes.
wazooxover 11 years ago
We still can&#x27;t properly simulate the puny <i>caenorhabditis elegans</i> brain with some accuracy. Don&#x27;t hold your breath on this one.
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qwertaover 11 years ago
An ACTUAL simulation of rat brain would be 1000 000x more useful.
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forktheifover 11 years ago
If they really were simulating a human brain, that would have some pretty serious moral implications.
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kirtijthoratover 11 years ago
One thing we have to understand here is that 1 second of human brain activity is quite a lot of computing! It&#x27;s not &#x27;just one second&#x27;. This incredible experiment shows how the human curiosity has gone so far to build a artificial thinking machine. It would be great to see the compute result of if we could add 10 Supercomputer.
moron4hireover 11 years ago
If we simulate a human brain as a way to make computers solve new types of problems, then we will have bored computers who procrastinate solving problems in favor of playing WoW.
garrettdreyfusover 11 years ago
What does simulating the human brain mean? Would a simulation lead to artificial intelligence or just quite a large neural network?
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alixaxelover 11 years ago
Does this mean we are ~216 months away from having 1:1 performance?
alixaxelover 11 years ago
Does this mean we are ~100 months away from 1:1 performance?
timcedermanover 11 years ago
Actually a shorter amount of time than I was expecting.
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