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How Adobe Got Rid of Traditional Performance Reviews

63 pointsby tmbsundarover 11 years ago

16 comments

Ensorceledover 11 years ago
I gave up on the effectiveness of yearly performance reviews more than 20 years ago when I got a bad review for spending 20% of my time on internal company support instead of 10%. I had been sending my boss weekly reports all year and the week before my review he added up the time and decided my priorities were wrong. That review cost me more than 4K in bonuses and raises. Protesting to the VP made no difference.<p>When I resigned two days later the SVP got involved, gave me almost 10K in bonuses and raises and promoted me to a lead role on another team to keep me.<p>I&#x27;ve seen nothing but problems ever since; morale issues caused by disappointing raises and bonuses, problem employees left to fester until the review, a week or more of lost productivity as everybody fills in massive 360 surveys and then argues over them for.<p>Weekly 1-1 meetings with regular review checkpoints make far more sense.
darklajidover 11 years ago
Hi, my name is Ben and I just filled out my first &#x27;traditional&#x27; performance review ever. I guess the company&#x27;s trying to act mature or something. I feel like sharing..<p>The whole form was full of buzzwords, felt moronic and - useless. You were supposed to judge yourself in various ways, with arbitrary scales and that thing was full of vague descriptions that could&#x27;ve just as easily been part of a horoscope. Or .. a fortune cookie.<p>I&#x27;m tempted to send an update to my performance review and link to this article, maybe we can drop this &#x27;tradition&#x27; after one (miserable) attempt? Or .. I post it on our Yammer. God, we&#x27;re a hip company..
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hopelessover 11 years ago
The headline is a little misleading: they got rid of <i>annual</i> performance reviews in favour of more frequent performance discussions.<p>I&#x27;m working for a startup building a performance plan&#x2F;review SaaS app and we&#x27;ve always tried to encourage customers to use 3-4month reviews periods — but almost all are wedded to the idea of annual reviews.<p>If you&#x27;re stuck on an annual cycle, at least make sure the manager and employee have regular meetings so those goals and the current progress are frequently in the forefront of their minds. There&#x27;s no point getting to December and <i>then</i> remembering what you and your team were supposed to be doing<p>Don&#x27;t set 2 A4 pages full of &quot;goals&quot;, including unverifiable stuff like &quot;maintaining a happy, positive atmosphere&quot; like my managers at IBM did. Set 3-4 clear goals with defined metrics (hint: if there&#x27;s not a metric to measure, it&#x27;s not a goal). Some goals are also amenable to breaking down into milestones.
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BrandonYover 11 years ago
&gt; Since the new system was implemented, involuntary departures have increased by 50%: this is because...the new system requires executives and managers to have regular “tough discussions” with employees...rather than putting them off until the next performance review cycle.<p>Hrm. 50% increased firings seems kinda high to blame entirely on frequency of review. Were these guys bad and the managers just didn&#x27;t realize it under the old system? Or do they always fire one unlucky guy every review cycle and just do the same thing but more frequently now?
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pinaceaeover 11 years ago
So, after actually reading the article:<p>Adobe had a dysfunctional system were managers were not giving <i>any</i> feedback during the year, waiting for the annual performance review.<p>So essentially no management at all.
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codegeekover 11 years ago
Annual Performance Reviews is one of the reasons why I chose to be a consultant. Really. I always have a smile on my face when my boss announces the dreaded annual review time in a meeting and then looks at me and goes &quot;Not you of course&quot;. Love the feeling that I don&#x27;t have to worry about that crap.<p>You may not like Adobe for many reasons but this move is definitely worth a welcome. It is high time companies stop this madness of &quot;annual performance reviews&quot; which really does not mean much.<p>&quot;&quot;The aim is to give people information when they need it rather than months after teachable moments have passed,&quot;<p>Exactly. You just cannot sit down one fine day (read: end of the year) and discuss the performance for the entire year. Just does not work for human beings like that. We are good and bad on different days. Some days, we are ultra productive, some we just slack off. I would rather have my team&#x2F;manager talk to me more often about what I am doing right when it actually happens. Same with what I did not do well <i>at the time</i> when it happened. This gives me the opportunity to learn quickly.<p>The end of year discussion in reality is more like &quot;I do not really know the details of what you did exactly but I know you were ok for the most part. Here is a couple of things you can change, blah blah. You get a satisfactory rating blah. &quot; That&#x27;s for most of us. A few unlucky ones get the shorter end of the stick &quot;We have to fire the bottom 5% and we thought you are one of those. Not much specifics specially compared to co-workers&quot;<p>I want real metrics and feedback to be incorporated in my review. Not the end of year survey sent to a few people I choose who will mostly say good things about me (hopefully). By real feedback, I mean the email that my customer sent saying &quot;You saved my life today. You are awesome&quot;. This email should be filed&#x2F;shared with my manager who will then know the background of why the customer said so. stuff like that is real feedback.<p>The biggest problem I see with performance reviews is the fact that there is no way to compare my work with my co-workers in terms of effectiveness, customer satisfaction and quality delivery. I m not saying that it should become a competition of who is better but there must be a way to tell me that someone else did a better job at xyz while I was really good at abc.<p>&quot;It also bolsters accountability because managers have far more responsibility for setting employee compensation than under the old system&quot;<p>This. A 1000 times. It is sickening to hear the same old argument from your direct manager that &quot;sorry if I could, I would give you a better raise. But my hands are tied because I am told so&quot;. One huge reason why I quit working fulltime and became a consultant. You pay me what we agreed and I live with it. When my contract rolls, I might ask for a raise and if you decline, it is my choice to stay or move on. Either way, no one is forced into anything.<p>Couple of others useful links with details on this:<p>[0] <a href="http://www.hreonline.com/HRE/view/story.jhtml?id=534355695&amp;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hreonline.com&#x2F;HRE&#x2F;view&#x2F;story.jhtml?id=534355695&amp;</a><p>[1] <a href="https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/tag/performance-review" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.adobe.com&#x2F;conversations&#x2F;tag&#x2F;performance-review</a>
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yofxover 11 years ago
This certainly is good improvement. However ,for this method to work you really have to have good manager who understands issues, have vision and puts Org. interest and employees interest before self interest. Since I started my career I had couple of selfish , egocentric and narcissistic managers ( mostly Indians, sorry but truth) who literally tried to block my career path. So I would suggest not just have everything done by your manager , which apparently leads to bureaucracy, rather have at least another check ( another manager, group) review what your manager is saying.
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jay_kyburzover 11 years ago
So, nobody commented on this..<p>&quot;Once a year, managers make adjustments in employee compensation&quot;.<p>Performance reviews are supposed to be a two way street. We talk about if the employee is adding value to the company, how both parties could improve to create more more value, then negotiate how much the company will pay to have the employee stay.<p>Sure give feedback early and often. You really should be talking every day with your manager in the daily standups.<p>But lets be honest, if you are still only doing annual pay reviews there is still just one meeting a year that matters.
orofinoover 11 years ago
Alright, well I suppose I&#x27;ll play the role of contrarian.<p>Performance reviews should be given in the context of preset goals. Without defined goals, a review is pointless. You might as well be commenting on the weather for all it is worth.<p>I break my goals up into three general categories when I give them: tactical, strategic, and developmental. Tactical items are boring shit, do your job, close your tickets, answer the phone, etc. Strategic goals push the business forward, assist on a project, visit a customer, or implement a new thing. Developmental goals are all about you: attend some training, mentor a peer, or learn a new thing.<p>Goals should evolve with the employee. Have you just started? I&#x27;m giving you goals to familiarize yourself with the business. Sit with the CS team, the sales team, or some of the product meetings. Have you been here forever? I&#x27;m giving you responsibility to mentor peers, do some lunch and learns, or take on a new project. Craft goals for your team to fill gaps in the team&#x27;s capabilities and to shape key employees for advancement.<p>Performance reviews aren&#x27;t inherently bad, they provide a really clear milestone or report on how you&#x27;re meeting these goals. We&#x27;ll talk about them weekly during our one on ones, but this codifies what we&#x27;ve been discussing into something more tangible. They&#x27;re where the rubber meets the road and seeing yourself rated on your goals really calls attention to performance.<p>Reviews and goals may sound like corporate bullshit to you, but that&#x27;s just because your manager sucks. I&#x27;ve had several excellent managers who leverage goals to push me towards new opportunities. My reviews are largely a formality, I know where I stand with my manager, but I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s the case with most employees. Perhaps I just haven&#x27;t been burned badly enough by bad managers in the past.
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coldcodeover 11 years ago
This is a good idea but requires a far better quality of manager. The question is whether a company can find and promote and train them to make good decisions all up the chain (assuming each manager level does the same thing all the way up to the President or CEO). If this doesn&#x27;t work you wind up with cronyism.
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outside1234over 11 years ago
Hilarious - I was wondering where Microsoft copied this system from. This is exactly the new Microsoft system.
ajaysover 11 years ago
I dunno... given the perpetual problems with Flash, the password leaks, etc., I wouldn&#x27;t hold up Adobe as a paragon of excellence.
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bentcornerover 11 years ago
Sounds similar to what Microsoft did a few months ago: <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/12/5094864/microsoft-kills-stack-ranking-internal-structure" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;12&#x2F;5094864&#x2F;microsoft-kills-s...</a>
pertinhowerover 11 years ago
&quot;That is her picture, to the left&quot;? Uh... awkward?
michaelochurchover 11 years ago
Performance reviews are terrible, because there will always be error, and people who are overrated get complacent and those who are underrated get pissed.<p>If the manager&#x27;s any good, people know how they&#x27;re doing. Okay, so what if the manager&#x27;s <i>not</i> good? Then the employee&#x27;s performance, if low, isn&#x27;t really his fault.<p>There&#x27;s not much upside to reviews, because companies will either (a) find ways to give bonuses and advancement to top performers regardless of what they formally score, or (b) won&#x27;t, but reviews won&#x27;t help them.<p>They exist for two reasons. One is to intimidate people. But that just doesn&#x27;t work. Intimidating people into working hard leads to a useless product. The second is to generate a paper trail before firing people. But I think PIPs and performance reviews are a really bad solution. Better is to fire as soon as the problem is evident and irremediable, but to give severance instead of the 2-month &quot;walking dead&quot; phase in which he shits all over morale.<p>The worst thing about formalized reviews is that they inhibit internal mobility. Top performers don&#x27;t want to leave, for fear of risking a bad review. But in most companies, no one wants to take on the 80% of people who are &quot;just average&quot;, even if they might become A players on a better-fit project. That makes departmental residency permanent and causes the &quot;warring departments&quot; phenomenon for which Microsoft is known.
pgs_pantsover 11 years ago
Heh. Performance reviews in Adobe:<p>&quot;Hmm.. a new security flaw in flash every day this year. Well done, bonus for you!&quot;
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