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The Full-Fat Paradox: Whole Milk May Keep Us Lean

55 pointsby mattjaynesover 11 years ago

16 comments

jtheoryover 11 years ago
I hope they&#x27;re correcting for the reversed causation -- i.e., if you notice you&#x27;re getting pretty overweight, you&#x27;re more likely to <i>avoid full-fat yoghurt</i>, whereas if you are staying lean (for completely unrelated reasons), you&#x27;re not nearly as likely to worry about it.<p>There&#x27;s no mention of ruling this out in the article, though I didn&#x27;t read the study itself to see how&#x2F;if they addressed it.
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pothiboover 11 years ago
&gt; middle-aged men who consumed high-fat milk, butter and cream were significantly less likely to become obese over a period of 12 years compared to men who never or rarely ate high-fat dairy.<p>What I would like to know is if those not eating high-fat dairy compensate with high-carbs dairy.<p>The way this article is written led me to think that <i>eating fat</i> would help people avoid obesity which is a very different story than &quot;you should choose high-fat dairy instead of high-carbs dairy&quot;<p>Anyhow, I&#x27;m glad fat is making a come back. There&#x27;s this weird , untold thinking that eating fat automatically translates to storing fat which is nonsense.
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colinbartlettover 11 years ago
If you&#x27;ve been drinking 2% milk since childhood because that&#x27;s what your family drank, I suggest you try whole milk.<p>You might never go back because the taste difference is unbelievable.
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buro9over 11 years ago
As an aside, why is that every time I&#x27;ve been to the USA I cannot seem to just buy fresh whole milk?<p>I always seem to find these massive containers, full of enriched this, and added that. Sometimes flavoured or low-fat.<p>If I wanted vitamin enriched low-fat something or other I&#x27;d be spoilt for choice... but if one wants regular milk, from a cow, untouched except by pasteurisation, well this seems quite difficult.<p>Was I just going to all the wrong shops?
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teh_klevover 11 years ago
One of the things that ruined full fat milk for me in the UK was the introduction of homogenised milk. It ruined my morning porridge where my dad and I would pour off the cream that settled at the top as a breakfast treat. Homogenisation spoiled that for us.<p>Full fat homogenised milk also created a greasy slick on top of any hot drink you added it to.<p>Since then I&#x27;ve only consumed semi-skimmed milk. It&#x27;s a shame we mess about with perfectly good natural products such as milk.
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forgottenpaswrdover 11 years ago
Well, this is not news at all. Americans used to consume 8 kilos of butter a year 40 years ago and lots of other fats too.<p>Now they consume much less fat(but low quality like palm oil), much more sugar, and they are terribly overweight.<p>People also consume much less fresh products thanks to the refrigerator. Some things will taste similar but carry 10% or less enzymes and vitamins than the fresh thing right after recollection.
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skywhopperover 11 years ago
Take this report with the same grain of salt it&#x27;s recommending taking the conventional wisdom of avoiding dairy fat. These diet studies focus on extremely narrow questions and generally have homogenous (pun intended) population samples.<p>Ignore the headlines. The best diet advice I&#x27;ve heard is Michael Pollan&#x27;s: &quot;Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.&quot;
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weddprosover 11 years ago
Maybe there&#x27;s a category of people who eat healthier <i>and</i> are leaner, and they could buy whole milk because they consider it&#x27;s healthier too.<p>It <i>may</i> be a statistical bias...<p>Like &quot;people who eat foie gras are leaner&quot;, which is probably true too.
VLMover 11 years ago
From a chemistry point of view milk is an emulsion of cow fats dispersed in water (and some proteins, and electrolytes, not relevant to this discussion). Shaking up milk or using a churn breaks the emulsion and you get solid butter. Strangely about 95% of the population has no idea where butter comes from beyond &quot;it comes from the store&quot;. Ordinarily water and oil don&#x27;t mix very well. Some really tasty foods (not just milk) involve oil&#x2F;water emulsions, sauces, gravys, salad dressings, mayonnaise, to a greater or lesser extent raw baked good doughs, etc.<p>So thats chemistry lesson 1, lesson 2 is &quot;lots of stuff&quot; in o-chem class prefers to partition itself in oil or water phase. So at least some ochem lab work involves a sep funnel which is a magic, yet simple, way to do liq vs liq extractions. Stuff moves from being dissolved in liq 1 to being dissolved in liq 2. Its a law of nature that its impossible for an undergrad lab involving a sep funnel to not have an accident or incident of some sort, usually more funny than dangerous. Not surprisingly one liquid is usually polar and one is usually non-polar because you can&#x27;t do much of an extraction if liq 1 and liq 2 mix perfectly to create liq 3. And the sep fraction is often crazy, if you work the polar &#x2F; nonpolar hard enough. I would imagine the sep fraction for salt or sugar in water&#x2F;veg oil could be nearly a million, like the only salt in veg oil might be mechanical turbidity&#x2F;suspension. Thats just a guess but I&#x27;m sure its ridiculously high if not a million. You can still have a &quot;useful at lab scale&quot; extraction if its only a factor of 2 or so, just pointing out its not shocking to be much higher.<p>Anyway the point of this chem discussion is there is no such thing as milk, there&#x27;s a liquid that comes out of a cow and its got all kinds of crazy stuff in it, some of which STRONGLY partitions into either the polar or nonpolar phase. So the eventual discovery is probably going to be some kind of hormone, protein, mineral, herbicide, antiseptic, antibiotic, pesticide, solvent, &quot;something&quot; that strongly partitions &#x2F; dissolves into fat and not into water. In the list above, hormones, herbicides, pesticides, and solvents tend to partition strongly into fat, the other stuff is a tough call one way or the other.<p>I would theorize that other animals living in the same contaminated conditions would partition the same way. Us mammals are not as biochemically different as some think. So its entirely possible you&#x27;d get the same effect from eating fatty meat, perhaps bacon, or foods cooked in (or made with) lard. Its worth some study.
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neverminderover 11 years ago
I&#x27;m quite involved in fitness and I know a thing or two about diet. Milk is not bad, it never was. The only significant difference of full milk and skimmed milk from my point of view is GI (Glycemic Index). Full milk has GI of 41 whereas skimmed milk has a GI of 32 [1]. Obviously the lower GI the better. [1] <a href="http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/milk-really-low-glycemic-4404.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;healthyeating.sfgate.com&#x2F;milk-really-low-glycemic-440...</a>
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sambeauover 11 years ago
Another misconception is that skimmed and semi-skimmed milk would be better for lactose intolerance—it isn&#x27;t as there is a similar (if not slightly higher) concentration of lactose in skimmed and semi-skimmed milk<p><a href="http://www.gihealth.com/html/education/lactose.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gihealth.com&#x2F;html&#x2F;education&#x2F;lactose.html</a>
boonover 11 years ago
It&#x27;s only a paradox if you believe in the first place that dietary animal fat is bad for you.
mhbover 11 years ago
Why Nutrition is So Confusing:<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/why-nutrition-is-so-confusing.html?hp&amp;rref=opinion" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;09&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;sunday&#x2F;why-nutriti...</a>
yoodenvranxover 11 years ago
In Germany it is actually quite hard to find skim milk. I guess at least 98% of the milk you see in a supermarket has either 3.8%, 3.5% or 1.8% fat content. In some supermarkets you can find 0.1% milk, but that is quite rare.
w1zd0mover 11 years ago
the article quotes the president of the &quot;dairy council&quot; and ceo of a milk company.. uhhhh not sure were seeing the &#x27;whole&#x27; picture here. lame
michaelbuddyover 11 years ago
organic whole milk is pretty much the only I can enjoy. The rest tastes awful.